Smoke Dope and Carry

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by SHSBulldog06, Jun 18, 2010.

  1. SHSBulldog06

    SHSBulldog06 New Member

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    Saw this while skimming through the news it caught me off-guard and gave me a quick laugh.


    Oregon court: Handgun permit OK with medical pot
    (AP) – 1 day ago

    MEDFORD, Ore. — The Oregon Court of Appeals has ruled that a medical marijuana patient can have a concealed handgun permit.

    The court on Wednesday said Jackson County Sheriff Mike Winters had no grounds to deny the permit sought by Cynthia Willis in 2008.

    Winters had argued the federal Gun Control Act of 1968 was the legal basis of his decision.

    The Court of Appeals rejected the sheriff's arguments and found that Willis complied with state law in her application.

    Portland attorney Leland Berger, who represents Willis and three others who were denied permits, called the ruling a victory for marijuana cardholders around the state.

    Information from: Mail Tribune, Mailtribune.com - News for Medford, Ashland, Jacksonville and Southern Oregon
     
  2. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    Uh, I thinks that's just wrong. Potheads and gun? Whats next? Drunks and guns?
     

  3. DrumJunkie

    DrumJunkie New Member

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    While I do thing that marijuana can be used in the medical field I just don't think they are taking that as serious as they want people to believe. If it's all about getting a case of the happys then it's not a medical reason and that impairment might not be all that good an idea. But they allow people on perscription meds to have a CCW in many states so the argument can be made that the frames of mind within both prescription meds and medical marijuana are not any different. It's that reason I am somewhat on the fence... for the time being.
     
  4. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I guess I am thinking of the people I have seen around here. Colorado recently started allowing medical marijuana. The people I have seen hanging around these "Dispensaries" are exactly what I expected to see. There is no way all those young people with the crazy piercings and vulgar tatoos have glaucoma. I am not talking about common tattoos. These people have tattoos on their faces, stuff like that. There are even people that have had their faces altered to look like animals and crazy stuff like that. It's definately not the people you see standing in line at the pharmacy.
     
  5. willfully armed

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    judging by your name, i find it very hard te think that a man of your age was never a doper. I had to quit in 1999 due to medical reasons. I smoked more weed than an ex alkie does cigs. I guarrandamntee, pot smokers are no more of a risk than coffee drinkers. Im no proponent for the legalization of dope, but COME ON!
     
  6. Pat-inCO

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    Well, that is not an issue in Colorado.

    CRS 18-12-203 (1) (f)
    " Is not an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance as defined in section 18-18-102 (5).
    Whether an applicant is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance shall be determined as provided in federal law and regulations."
    (emphasis by Pat-inCO)

    There is NO "medical MJ" in federal laws. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    You are sadly mistaken. Aside from one stupid mistake as a teenager I have never been a user. I went into the army at 17. That is where I learned that sharp reflexes can save your life. Praise God, I have never seen battle. But if I had, I would not have been one of the fools that was always walking around high!
     
  8. RJCXJ

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    This explains a lot.....



    While I do not respect people that abuse substances of any kind, (including caffeine addictions although not nearly as foolish and irresponsible as MJ), I cannot in good conscience imagine separating a "legal" medical MJ user from that of an opiate user or even someone on antidepressants.

    HOWEVER, I am all for the illegalization of consuming or using mind-altering medications and being in possession of a firearm. Just like getting hammered and not driving. Or taking opiates for pain during recovering and not driving. Not a good idea and your impairment can cost lives.

    As long as the law allows for severe prosection of morons getting high and using or CARRYING their firearms directly on them, I don't have an issue with it.
     
  9. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    Carrying sober....rediculous!! What is this world coming to.;)
     
  10. RJCXJ

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    Hats off to you for taking the "high" road. Never had the desire to dope up myself... Always seen mind altering substances as a sign of weakness and inability to deal with reality through other more responsible means.
     
  11. Rick1967

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    I see it as no different that drinking and carrying. If somebody smokes pot and stays at home, thats none of my business. If they smoke pot and carry a gun anywhere near me, that is my business.
     
  12. RJCXJ

    RJCXJ New Member

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    Exactly. And I get to be an extra level of pissed if you do it around my family.
     
  13. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I hear that!
     
  14. CHLChris

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    Seriously? What would be the next restriction? Something YOU do that is objectionable?

    Every successful restriction is a step away from liberty. This case (and I'm from Oregon) is about 2 county sheriffs who wanted to deny CHL's is this Shall-Issue state. Shall-issue should mean just that: shall-issue!

    If the person doesn't have a felony conviction, their medications shouldn't matter. What about lithium? What about xanax? I am NOT a medical marijuana supporter, but that is a different issue.

    I see this as a liberty issue and a "get-your-hands-off-my-rights" issue.
     
  15. spittinfire

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    Are you saying that you are comfortable with a drunk man carrying a loaded firearm? In this case it would be a person under the influence of marijuana but does it really matter? A person who is anything but sober has no business being around a weapon of any kind.
     
  16. RJCXJ

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    And that is all I am saying here.......
     
  17. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    Dont for one minute think you are any better than me. Remember that no man is without sin... Or weakness.
     
  18. DrumJunkie

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    I figured this be a pretty hot topic. I'm interested to see how it plays out.
    Take it a step further. Chronic pain meds and CC. Yea or Nea?
     
  19. CHLChris

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    There are two issues here. 1) responsibility of user and 2) Right to keep and bear arms.

    Issue 1: This judicial decision has no bearing on the sobriety of an individual carrying a handgun. The issue at hand is whether a person who is a carrier of a medical marijuana license is allowed to be disallowed by their sheriff from being issued a CHL. I don't believe a person under the influence should carry a handgun.

    Issue 2: In this shall-issue state, a sheriff should not have the right to curtail the constitutional rights of a resident of Oregon, period!

    If you want to start a thread about drunks carrying guns or stoners carrying guns, then go ahead, but this judicial decision is the right one legally and the right one morally. IMO, IMHO.
     
  20. RJCXJ

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    Agreed. But it explains a lot about the way you handle yourself and communicate. Hell, if you served in the armed forces, as I have not. Yep, you're better than me!

    That is where it gets tough. Typically chronic pain med users develop a tolerance and can function on reasonable doses(for the individual) without being impaired. But that would have to be determined by a panel of health and safey experts I imagine.

    Truthfully, I would hope that people would use common sense and know their limits. But obviously with all the DUI's and people murdered by drunk drivers... there is a disconnect somewhere.