Smith&Wesson M&P15ORC curiosity

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Fumbles, Aug 10, 2011.

  1. Fumbles

    Fumbles New Member

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    Hello all...new here. I am considering getting into an AR type rifle. Truth be told I am vacillating a little because cash is tight and it's hard to justify dropping a $K on something I will likely not use very much. I have 5 handguns in various calibers, so home defense is covered. An AR would be for occasional enjoyment and in the event of a SHTF scenario, civil unrest, food shortages leading to home invasions to steal supplies, riots etc etc etc. Not saying it will come to this.....it is just an attempt at a justification to own a semi-auto rifle.

    Has anyone had any experience with the Smith&Wesson M&P15ORC? If so, how do you like it, how accurate is it and how well does it operate in general, is it finicky as far as dirt, cheap ammo etc etc etc? I have zero time on AR's. When I was in the military I carried an FN FAL.

    Up to now I actually have had my eye on the Stag Arms Mod. 1. They carry them at a firearm store close to me, from time to time. My bro-in-law has one and he loves it. He has put quite a few rounds through it with not a single problem. Having never fired it, or any AR, I have handled his Stag and the build quality, fit & finish etc seems very good ..... the gas key is staked correctly etc etc.

    Then a couple weeks ago, I saw the S&W M&P Sport at my "local gunshop" and loved the sale price, but noticed it has no dust cover and no forward assist. More reading revealed it is very much considered an entry level AR type rifle.

    Today I went down there again to see if I could stop procrastinating and twist my own arm to pull the trigger on the Stag AR, but it was sold. Bummer...and none left in the warehouse.

    They actually had a bunch of new stock AR's in in various configurations. I spotted the Smith M&P15ORC.

    Seems very nice...price was $999...... BUT........ no carry handle and no sights whatsoever! No BUIS....nada.

    So by the time you put on a pair of iron sighta......you are closer to the $1200 price point which is what some of the other AR's go for, fully equipped with iron sights or a bit more for optics.

    Also I read the trigger is not so great....heavy and somewhat excessive in the take up.

    So........... decision's, decisions. If I do this, do I order a Stag or grab the S&W if they still have it?

    Stag build for many AR manufacturers and their level of quality is very good... but..... Smith&Wesson is a very highly respected name in firearms. Prices are similar, plus it's possible the S&W price could be negotiated down a bit if I bought sights from them.

    So, between a Stag Arms Mod.1 and the S&W M&P15ORC, which way would you go and why?

    Thanks.
     
  2. luan87us

    luan87us New Member

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    Stag Arms. S&W is great but they are also pricier due to their brand. You're basically paying extra for the brand for pretty much the same functions. Both are 1:9 twist with 4140 steel barrels. Overall Stag arms seem like a better value to me. Now if you really want best bang for your money many members will tell you to build your own AR-15 or at least build your own lower and slap a complete upper on.
     

  3. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Just an aside but the OR in ORC means optics ready, its a nicer way of them telling you that no sights come factory installed. S&W makes a fine product but you have run into the very issue that leads many to build their own AR, after putting $1,000 into a rifle you need to spend a few hundred more to get it to be what you really want. For the same money and a bit of effort you can build a higher quality rifle with EXACTLY the features you want. If you want the SW rollmark buy one of their lowers and pin an upper of your choice to it. You get to choose what trigger, BCA and stock to use, not what someone else wants to sell you. Look over some of the threads in the AR build forums, lots of folks, myself included, were once where you are and we all managed to build our own perfectly functioning ARs.

    Welcome aboard and good luck.
     
  4. luan87us

    luan87us New Member

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    Well said. I came here looking for info to buy my first AR however I ended building my own. it was an exciting experience. I would do it again anyday.
     
  5. ZombieKiller83

    ZombieKiller83 New Member

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    ^^^ this is the option i would recommend as you said you don't want drop a lot of $. It works out great as you can split the bill over a couple of monthes and build a rifle that will perform better than a pre-assembled one might perform. Plus you can build it to your liking as opposed to dropping the cabbage on a factory rifle and then spending more money on top customizing it to your liking plus you get the satisfaction of A) sense of accomplishment from creating something yourself and B) you know exactly how the thing works making diagnosing problems that may arise that much easier.

    Did i mention it's cheaper? Alot of great guys on this site with a ton of knowledge that will go out of their way to help you out making building an option worth considering that much more ;)

    Either way you decide to go, enjoy good sir, the AR is a very fun and exciting platform to learn :cool:
     
  6. Quentin

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    As Jpyle said the OR in ORC means optics ready. And I believe the C stands for compliant as in CA neutered. I'm also a big fan of building your own AR but living in a ban state complicates things a lot. You can save money and build a better AR than you can buy locally but you must build it compliant to your local laws. Something to keep in mind always! The rest of us have it much easier...
     
  7. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Not all of us...the NJ AWB predated the Clinton ban so it remained in effect after 2004. :(
     
  8. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    How much does a Spikes compliant rifle cost?
     
  9. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    True, true Jpyle. Most of us have it pretty good but there are a handful of ban states out there to make life difficult. :eek:
     
  10. Fumbles

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    Thanks folks, a lot of helpful replies already.

    I have considered building, very loosely though. Funny, yesterday on the way back from looking at these rifles again at the gun shop....I was really starting to consider a build again....for the very reason mentioned here. There are so many variants...it is like it's designed to suck you in.


    As far as a build, could you guys advise me on components in this thread, or would you prefer I search the forum a bit on my own?

    I know what I want..... not too much frilly stuff....a clean looking AR without too many bells and whistles but with the option to add those if I change my mind. Accuracy and reliability are of the utmost importance. I don't expect a match grade rifle, but I do want one that shoots tight groups...... right where where I am telling them to go.

    So I would want optics as well as BUIS. Optics that will cover the effective range of the rifle well. Accurate barrel, dust cover, forward assist. No bipod, no laser, no front pistol grip, no flashlights and tons of stuff dripping off the quad rail....although I do want some picatinny up front.

    It needs the CA bullet button of course and 10 round magazines-I like the one's that only hold 10 but look like 30's.

    Lastly, I am assuming the lower has the serial number. Would it be better for me to buy this first, just in case something weird happens and CA bans sales of anything vaguely resembling an "assault" rifle before I have ordered one?

    And do I have to have this shipped to a dealer, FFL etc etc and do the transfer there? How does that work for Kalifornia? You know....the anti gun capitol of the USA.

    Thanks again.
     
  11. luan87us

    luan87us New Member

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    I know we would convert you sooner or later. Now for the components if you're looking for a budget lower. I suggest PSA lower with PSA lpk, or you can get a stripped Spike's Tactical lower from aimsurplus (if they have it in stock) and put w/e lpk you want on it. The buttstock is really up to your there. I like magpul because to me it looks good. I recommend using mil spec buffer assembly. And for Upper I also recommend PSA uppers. They have a variety of configuration now and they are the best bang for your bucks at this time. BCM and Spike's Tactical are some of the top popular upper now but they're constantly out of stock and on back orders. And then you have all the brand name uppers from DPMS, RRA, etc... Just up to you really. Preferred barrel specs: 4150 steel, chrome lined, CHF(for longer durability), 5.56 chamber with m4 feedramp.

    Those are what I've learned during my research to build my ar. Now the pros here will add more detail for you.
     
  12. Quentin

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    I would learn the CA law very well before building. There are many names not on the approved "list" so you can't have Colt or ArmaLite lowers shipped to CA, but many other names are fine. Otherwise, you do have the lower shipped to your dealer/FFL and fill out the federal and local paperwork there. It might be best to buy a lower already in stock to avoid having an "evil" name on the lower. And yes, the stripped lower receiver has the serial number and is considered the firearm. The other components you can have shipped to your door, as long as they are CA legal.

    Check out calguns.net for more specific help on a compliant AR build.
     
  13. Fumbles

    Fumbles New Member

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    This is way cool. Thanks for the info folks, keep 'em coming. I had never even heard of PSA parts. BCM I had and Spike's Tactical I have seen the name.