Smith and Wesson M&P15 MOE

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by firestarter94, Jun 21, 2010.

  1. firestarter94

    firestarter94 New Member

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    I am interested in purchasing one of these rifles and I have done some research on it but I am not satisfied. I would like to know more about this gun and anything worth mentioning. Thanks.
     
  2. Gatekeeper

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  3. moshpit

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    I have the M&P 15 ORC, but it's now so upgraded and customized, it's not recognizable from the rifle I brought home originally. And as Gatekeeper said, it's extremely accurate and 100% reliable, a real pleasure to shoot.

    Also to mention, the upper and lower fit very tight, so there's zero wobble in it. That means it take a little more effort to pop the take down pins then other ARs, but it's worth it for that tightness. The charging action is a hair stiffer then on some of the other ARs I've been playing with lately as well. Not a bad thing, just noticeable.
     
  4. firestarter94

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    Gatekeeper,

    I am mainly curious if it is reliable and if the Magpul equipment is of decent quality. I also am curious about any differences between a standard AR and this one. How many rounds have you put through it at one time and was there a lot of stopage?
     
  5. firestarter94

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    Moshpit,

    I think it is better it be tight than lose. What is the difference between the ORC and the MOE?
     
  6. moshpit

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    The ORC is literally the most basic carbine M&P 15 you can get, literally. No sights of any kind at all on it. Flat top receiver and top railed gas block, it's "Optics Ready Compliant", though the compliant part is supposed to be to do with Cali compliance, and this puppy was NOT Cali complaint out of the box. Magpul 30 round mag, working mag release, normal grips, everything. I picked it with the intention of going nuts on it with customizations and upgrades, wanted the most basic S&W I could get.

    The MOE comes pre-equiped with a bit of Magpul goodies already on it. I didn't want that because while I like Magpul items, I had different Magpul items in mind already.

    Here's how mine turned out
     
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  7. firestarter94

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  8. moshpit

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    Oh yeah, to answer your question to Gatekeeper about how many rounds at one shooting session, and if stoppages happened, I can answer that one as well for mine. The most at one session ever has been just under 1000 rounds (nearly emptied a NATO surplus ammo can, barely a handful of rounds were left) when I had my brother and some friends with us at the ranges. It was all milsurp M855 SS109's, and we suffered zero stoppages (FTF, FTE) of any kind whatsoever. But, we took a break about half way into the session to add a bit more lube since I'm using CLP and you have to add more occasionally.

    But in that and every other session (except a few of the very first range visits when I was in the middle of my modification spree on it) at the ranges with it so far, it's been a dream rifle. Accuracy went into the crapper for a bit while I was making some changes, but bounced back again once the last adjustments were made. My brother can shoot 3/4 MOA with it, I was proud as heck to get right at 1 MOA. I think it could shoot even tighter with a better shooter then my brother and I.
     
  9. firestarter94

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    Well that is impressive. When I get this gun i will test it. Thanks for the info. It will be helpful when I search around to find one at a good price.
     
  10. moshpit

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    Thank you! Very proud of how it turned out in the end, it was a rocky project with many ups and downs to get there. And mods DO get expensive, you're so right! And the mods I did could have been a lot more painful then they were if I hadn't caught stuff on sale at various places.

    The holo sight is an Eotech 512.A65, the least expensive Eotech you can get at around 400-ish bucks. It's good for 1100 hours on a set of AA batteries according to the specs, I've only had mine for a couple of months now, but it's still on the same original set of batteries and has been used a LOT! I bought a whole 20 pack of batteries for it when I got it and am starting to wonder if I should just go ahead and swap em out anyway for good measure.
     
  11. firestarter94

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    I was looking at an EOtech but I wasnt sure if it was good quality. The cheapest one I could find was like 409 bucks and it had 1100 hour runtime. It seemed pretty decent but I don't know a lot about scopes or sights for that matter. I will try to find a decent one on sale. Was it hard to sight in the holo or was it like a regular scope?
     
  12. moshpit

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    Zeroing in an Eotech is beyond easy, it would be downright boring if it didn't take such a short time to accomplish. Admittedly, you can tremendously cut down on ammunition costs for zeroing by using a bore laser zeroing tool. Mine just looks like a .223 round with the bullet missing and a laser diode in the end. Drop it in the chamber while it's on, and point your rifle at a target on the zero range. Zero your sight to the red dot, then fine adjustments with live ammo, perfect zero with minimal ammo wasted.

    The reason I went with the cheapest Eotech, the very $409 one you mentioned, was a story my brother told me about what happened to his squad-mate in Iraq with a model 512. First off, the 512's are not usually the troops use. Most use the CR123 battery version or the more expensive AA version that are night vision compatible. But his squad mate had his destroyed in an IED along with most of the hummer they were in. His new rifle didn't have an optic on it, and one of the other guys had a spare 512 he owned personally to loan him while waiting on a better one.

    The very next day, while dismounted and engaged in semi-close urban fighting, a round clipped the hood of his model 512, blowing most of it off and taking the upper 1/3 of the glass with it. The sight kept functioning, still displaying the circle and dot without any loss of capability. That story impressed me so much that I decided 409 bucks was bloody well worth it.
     
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  13. Gatekeeper

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    I've got approx 750 rounds through mine so far with a total of zero stoppages.
    I ran about 400 rounds without cleaning. I haven't got to shoot it a lot so far but have got it hot and dirty without suffering any malfunctions.
    I really like the magpul equipment and feel it is excellent quality and a tremendous value for the price.
    I was originally going to build my own AR using a lot of magpul components, so when I found the MOE at a good price with most of the stuff I wanted (Moe Buttstock, Grip, Magpul Back up rear sight, 16" chrome lined Barrel, M&P tested chromed bolt and carrier)I went that route instead and changed out or added the the other parts I wanted(longer handguard, Magpul BAD Lever, enhanced trigger guard, single point plate and Angled Fore Grip, Heavy buffer, rail mounted front sight, and Optic)
    Gratuitous Gun pRon:D
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    How my MOE ended up

    Model: M&P15
    Caliber: 5.56mm
    Barrel Length: 16"
    Barrel Twist: 1 in 9"
    Front Sight: Daniel Defense Rail Mount(fixed)
    Rear Sight: Folding Magpul® (MBUS)
    Overall Length: 35" Extended/32" Collapsed
    Stock: Magpul® MOE
    Barrel Material: 4140 Steel
    Receiver Material: 7075 T6 Aluminum
    Finish: Hard Coat Black Anodized
    Chromed Comp: Barrel Bore, Gas Key, Bolt Carrier, Chamber
    Magpul Enhanced trigger guard(aluminum)
    --------Battery Assist Device (BAD Lever)
    --------Single point sling plate
    --------MS2 sling
    --------Angled Fore Grip
    --------30rd P-Mags
    Spikes Tactical ST-T2 Heavy Buffer
    BCM Gunfighter charging handle(medium)
    Troy TRX extreme battlerail
    Vortex SPARC red dot/mount

    I've been extremely happy with the Smith so far.
    And as far as the Magpul Components...........

    My name is Gate---and I drink the Magpul Kool-Aid:p
     
  14. moshpit

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    Gratuitous Gun Pr0n, aka GGP, is a required suppliment to the diet of every BRD sufferer to alieviate the burning need to build more toys!

    And pour me a cup 'o that Magpul Kool-Aid there, Gatekeeper! :D
     
  15. firestarter94

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    Again another impressive thing. I was skceptical for a while but I think it will come in handy. 410 bucks well spent.
     
  16. firestarter94

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    THanks all for the info and when I get this rifle in a few months I will post pictures of how it turns out.
     
  17. moshpit

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    Will be waiting to see them :)
     
  18. moshpit

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    Don't you mean that "there were"? That's sold out, and it's a discontinued model.

    Edit: I found one place out of 10 searches that actually had one in stock. BUT, if you can find it, it will save a BIG chunk of change, but for a massively inferior version. The batteries it uses only last 200 hours, and are not cheapy standard AA. I prefer 1100 hours on 2 dollar batteries.
     
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  19. moshpit

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    Still though, an interesting find! I didn't even know there was something below the 512. I honestly thought it was "bottom of the barrel" (sorry for bad pun), but love mine anyway.
     
  20. firestarter94

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    Thanks for saving me time on looking for that Mosh. I will look around and see what other holos there are. I will probably end up with the 512. Thanks guys