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I'm looking to buy my dad a gun for his birthday...

he needs a nice small shotgun with little recoil, and can take down a deer, coyote, and other small game...

we have a 3rd generation hand me down ( my great grand fathers ) 20 gauge, it has no recoil pad, just metal, and it doesn't feel too good when it kicks..

will a new 20 gauge with the modern recoil pads and what not feel less of a kick..

i went out and tried it this morning, used 3/4 ounce 8 bird shot... it kicked not horrible, but more then my dad can handle...

I was thinking maybe a 28 gauge or even a 410... but i doubt those would easily take down a deer...

with a 300.00 price range, able to hold 3-5 rounds, be it semi auto or pump, and a scope, red dot or other...

i can add a scope for more money, but the base gun should be under 300.

trying to keep my dad hunting and enjoying the outdoors without killing my bank account :)

thanks, erick
 

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I'd stay with the 20 gauge due to choice of ammo and price of ammo, when you talk 410 or 28 gauge etc. price takes quiet a jump and limited in choices. Look into getting him a semi auto to reduce the kick, any pump or single shot is gonna kick worse.
 

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Also check state came laws- some states do not allow .410 for deer, and 28 guage, the price, well, Jesus wept. A 12 or 20 guage semi, with a good recoil pad gets my vote. Stay away from magnum ammo. The heavier the gun, the less the recoil (all other things being equal). IF games laws allow in your state, you may want to look at light rifle. An SKS or a marlin 30-30 will kick MUCH less than a shotgun.
 

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in my county, shotgun only for deer...

but if you walk 20' down the road into the next county, it is legal... go figure my luck...

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if you do look at getting a rifle, i would suggest a .223 for coyote, small deer, and other small stuff. It's kick is minimal. (My 9 year old bro seems to take it fine) The rounds are really cheap and it should be legal for hunting. I don't know enough about shotguns to tell anyone about them. I only use the 410 for grouse and the 8 guage slugs for the bears. :)



edit: Sorry. was typing slow. didn't see post #7 in time.
 

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he uses mostly slugs... so should i go with a riffled barrel or smooth?

what is a choke, and where does it go... can a slug be used with a choke?
 

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he uses mostly slugs... so should i go with a riffled barrel or smooth?

what is a choke, and where does it go... can a slug be used with a choke?
if he uses slugs more i would suggest a rifled barrel. i still fire buckshot through my rifled 8 gauge and it seems to work. A choke is what affects the spread of the shot. Sometimes built in or screwed on. It's always at the end of the barrel though. Closer or more open. As for slugs through choke:


Question: Is it safe to shoot a slug in a shotgun that has a screw-in choke?
Answer: The answer depends on the choke tube that's screwed into the barrel. You can get rifled choke tubes designed to spin the slug (to be used with sabot slugs), or you can just use a cylinder or improved cylinder tube (for rifled slugs).
It's perfectly safe to do with a shotgun that's in good repair, with proper ammo for that gun's chamber length. I wouldn't want to shoot many slugs through a tighter choke, but some modified chokes will do okay with slugs.

The tighter you go, the more pressure there is on the barrel and action, and the more stress is placed on the muzzle, which is thinner than the rest of the barrel anyhow... and this is especially true of newer guns, since their muzzles are threaded for choke tubes (the threading process removes metal from the barrel).

But with the right choke (rifled, cylinder, improved cylinder, or possibly modified) screwed or built into the gun, no problem.

- Russ Chastain
 

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what would be a good make/ model...

I'm looking for it to be easy to put a scope on it... a flat black color is nice also...
 

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what would be a good make/ model...

I'm looking for it to be easy to put a scope on it... a flat black color is nice also...
gonna have to get someone else to answer. i can look up new shotguns for you but those are gonna be in the 1.5 grand range which is probably a bit over what you want to pay. So ill let someone else fill you in.
 

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Look into the Stoeger semi-autos. They are only just slightly above what you're looking to spend and are really good feeling guns.
 

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stoeger seems to be nice... i'll put that very high on my list... looks very nice, and cheap...
thanks!

just out of curiosity, and to help me stop being so much of a gun noob.... what makes a semi auto have less kick then a pump... it fires the same bullet and the same speed...

all about porting, and stocks or soemthing?
 

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stoeger seems to be nice... i'll put that very high on my list... looks very nice, and cheap...
thanks!

just out of curiosity, and to help me stop being so much of a gun noob.... what makes a semi auto have less kick then a pump... it fires the same bullet and the same speed...

all about porting, and stocks or soemthing?

+1 I'd like to know this to. My guess would be that the bolt sliding back absorbs a bit of the recoil and allows some pressure out of the gun. But i think thats wrong?
 

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i talked to an older guy at bass pro and he seemed to know a lot...

he said that todays semis have the same kick... however the older (forget the nodel he said, but it had the whole barrel move and it would push forward and stop kick... )todays don't do that... so i started looking at pump guns

He pointed me to the Remington 870 express... when i asked about a scope he showed me a mount that i can buy and i take out 2 pins, put this mount on, and then can get a scope... although they had a bundle pack with a scope already on it.. i belive it was a 2x scope... 100.00 for scope and mount... good deal?

i then went to walmart for other things, ended up in the gun section... i saw a nice mossberg 500, all black, pump... for 199.99

What is a better buy. the mossberg, or the remington?

how do the generic slings work? neither guns have swivel mounts...

anything else i should look into?
 

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went back today.. they have a mossberg 500 at BPS and it comes with 2 barels, one rifled one smooth, and 3 recoil pads... 350.00 more then i wanted to spend...

a better deal then the remington?

should i shoot for a riffled barrel or a smooth barel... i shoot slugs for deer, but bird shot for clays.... can a riffled barrel be used with bird shot?
 

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The Stoeger is a Benelli with differnt cloths on. Some of the semi auto shotguns like the Remington 1100 are gas operated and that softens the recoil some. Other like the Stoeger and Benelli with the inertia drive system use a lot of the recoil to operate the bolt.
 

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Any reason a shotgun for an all purpose gun? A good bolt action .223, 22-250, or .270 would be low on recoil and a great all purpose gun. My Weatherby .270 stays in my Jeep whenever Im in the mountains along with my 44 Mag Super Black Hawk. That combo takes down most anything.
 
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