Skeet/Sporting Clays O/U - Which One

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by Gonzilla, Dec 13, 2013.

  1. Gonzilla

    Gonzilla New Member

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    Max Budget $3K - this is mostly theoretical but I've been picking up shells for most of my life and it keeps getting harder each year. I like the way O/U's swing. Yet, when you start reseraching these guns, it is way too easy to get sticker shock.

    Right Now - Cabelas has Winchester 101 Sporting for about $1,599 and the Browning 725 Sporting is about $2,500. (Adj comb for about $3K) Baretta has the 692 but that puppy starts at $4K. I did like the ideal of it having the same steel as the DT11 and the longer forcing cones. Baretta 686 is more of a field gun and maybe I could find a used 682 or 687.

    Due to budget constraints, I have left off P & K guns and SKB is just hard to find. OK folks, those are the contenders - now feel free to tear them to pieces or add new ones to compare & contrast.

    PS: My local gunshop dealer told me no one is shooting Brownings anymore...I got the distinct feeling he would like to sell me a Baretta. He also said most of the differences are within the action where you can not see. I found that comment interesting. It would be an oversimplification to say after - $3K - it's all about the wood.

    Just want to make sure I don't bring my new gun to the range, shoot a few rounds and then shout to the heavens, "What the &^%$ am I doing with THIS gun ???"
     
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  2. gvw3

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    No one is shooting Brownings? Thats funny.
     

  3. CrunchyFrog

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    Bull. The Brownings have a strong following among clay shooters. These guys tend to be very conservative. I think it would take a couple of generations to change that.

    The different models you named are all top quality and will preform well in the hands of a good shooter. I'd say try each, if you have the chance, to see which one fits and suits you best.
     
  4. havasu

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    I use a Browning Citori and love it!
     
  5. indy36

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    I shoot a Fabarm Axis RS 12 Sporting. Caesar Guerini owns Fabarm. It's a tick below $3,000. I love mine.
     
  6. RaySendero

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    Gonzilla, Try to shoot as many as you can BEFORE you make your purchase!

    Also, remember its very hard to switch between one shotgun and another. So if you already have some more shotguns, Make sure the fit, drop, and the sight picture especially the rib height are similar or you'll find yourself missing simple shots either in the field or at the range.
     
  7. aandabooks

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    Just to be contrarian here but I shoot a Stoeger STF 3000 in 20ga and consistantly in the 88-92 range. I can't see where adding a few $1000 to the price of the gun would be worth the money.
     
  8. indy36

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    Anyone can be good with any tool if they practice enough. That being said, people judge men by the tool and owning a nice tool feels good. Most of skeet is mental and having a tool you are proud to own is a help mentally. Tools tend to get traded and sold from time to time and expensive tools hold value better. More people want them. I get that golfers of yore were shooting par with a blade on a wood stick but I don't want to use that. I'm committed to skeet so the investment in a top notch tool is something I'm okay with. It's my only hobby. People can get down the drag strip in a rusty Ford Pinto with a big V8 but I'd rather run the same time in a nice shiny more expensive car Im proud to own. I've got no problem with poor shooters shooting K guns. It's their money and if they have it, who cares? Plus, they get to listen to me say, "That's a nice shotgun!" and they feel good owning something a group of like-minded guys appreciate.
     
  9. aandabooks

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    I can see your point and I do agree with it just I can't justify those prices for a shotgun. I was raised with a shotgun as a tool for rabbit, squirrel and deer hunting. Sometimes I just take my old Win 1200 16 ga to the trap range. I do just as well with it as most of the guys shooting much more expensive shotguns.

    Pistols are another matter when it comes to spending money and being proud to own it. I enjoy my Colt Gold Cup and many of my other very nice pistols. Precision rifles do the same thing for me. I just can't get excited about expensive shotguns in the same way. To each their own and everyone should buy what makes them happy.
     
  10. bobski

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    gonzo...how long is your neck? are you one of those stubby necks or a bean sprout?
     
  11. bobski

    bobski Active Member Sponsor

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    hey gvw....nice to have you make a cameo appearence! is that con man ryan42 still posting tff? geesh what id give to kick his butt.
     
  12. indy36

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    I totally agree with cheap handguns. I want the good stuff. No Hi-Points at my house. As for over/under shotguns, in his price range, used or new, to me, the best options are the Browning 725 Sporting, the Fabarm Axis RS 12, or a Beretta 682. Fabarm's customer service is second to none. Beretta, not so much. Browning, love them, a best value for the money.
     
  13. gvw3

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    I am around here just don't post much. I come here to keep up with your threads. Ryan is gone. Last I heard some one was pretty upset with him but I can't remember why.
     
  14. bobski

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    was it me or did he burn someone else?
    still love to have you 2 show up in april. you 2 were the best students of the meet.
    too bad shooter45 missed a good deal to help boost his herd. ftf here knows a good deal when they see it....and they have my 100% loyalty. no looking back.
    we'll be doing podcasts next.
     
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  15. Gonzilla

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    Bobski - My neck is relatively long, collar size used to be 17.5-18 for a tie but that was when I was 205 lb and now I'm around 155 lbs n trying to hold that.

    I recently shot a Browning Cynergy w adj comb (owner had it set all the way down and to the right) and I shot it rather well. I hated the square trigger guard style. I was hoping he might want to sell it but he didn't. He bought it way back when for only $1,800 - fully decked out.

    Only valid criticism I've read about both 725 & 101 is that they are both too light for Tgrt work. 101 has kinetic trigger, 725 mechanical. Browning & Winchester sister companies and it's the same steel in both models. Both are backbored but the Browning has a lengthened forcing cone while the 101 just has a 5 degree slope. The 101 has Truglo replacable sighting system - hope that isn't the same BS failed one they used to put on Baretta's. Those pipes broke, small rubber doughnut hold pip in place n easy to lose; the system is broke w/o it. Must buy new one. ;)

    Stoeger: Gunsmith warned me not to buy one. He won't even work on them anymore. If you are just going to hunt with one, it might be alright.
     
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  16. bobski

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    unfortunatley all o&u's are light. only heavy one i know of is a k80, a savage 333 or a ljutic.
    or a 3200, its nice. i shoot tons of those. i'll bring my 3200 4bbl set for you. click in the 20ga bbls for ya. i shoot a 14 7/8 lop over a kickeez on that one. you wont feel a thing. got any 28ga shells? shoot some 28's in it too. i dont mind.
    friend handed me his cynergy years back and i went 25 straight with it. he dropped is jaw. personally i thought it kicked...but i never told him.
     
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  17. Gonzilla

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    Thankfully, he had light reloads for me to shoot. Personally, I would have put the best recoil pad made on it but he had the original hard rubber one. I did shoot one box of 11/8 oz factory loads in it. Yep, she kicks but it was not Pump bad. This was a Sporting Clays model - ported etc.

    The Browning Citori XS - is approx 8.5 lbs and w this weight, it helps tame recoil right out of the box. The cynergy seemed to "fit me" better and I suspect it has a lower drop at comb than a std Citori. Lock up seemed to be stronger as well.

    Both the 725 & 101 w 30" barrels is 1/2lb under 8 lbs. My 391 paralel tgt w soft comb is heavy as well. (Might be closer to 9 lbs) Used to have a couple oz in mag tube and a long metal tube that attached - made it look like an O/U.
     
  18. Gonzilla

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    About Weight

    When I shot in the sumner league (the fun league) the Big Dogs used 12 ga O/U w tube sets. (Most of them shot 20 ga or 28 ga)

    I do not shoot in the Winter league (serious league) but when I visit the field I noticed the same guys are now shooting 12 ga and are adding weight to the barrels & stocks of their guns. No doubt, a 12 ga does recoil more than 20 ga. Draw your own conclusions.

    Are birds harder to break in the winter or do people care more about their averages ?
     
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  19. bobski

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    you want to shoot my 3200?
     
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