Situational Awareness.......

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by Dallas53, Jan 30, 2019.

  1. Rentacop

    Rentacop Well-Known Member

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    Situational Awareness : The Internet
    Be aware of what information you post on sites like Facebook . Criminals can figure out when you are away from your house on vacation, where you work and other useful info .

    If you are contacted by anyone claiming to be under 16 years old, do not communicate with that person as anything you say could be misinterpreted and used to investigate you . Do not attempt to " bait " anyone posing as an under-age person .

    Do not pay off to " sextortion " , " ransomware " or other attacks . Paying only encourages more such activity .

    Do not trust anyone you haven't met in person . Do not send out pictures you wouldn't want to have posted all over the Internet . Meet any dates in a safe public place . Never send money to anyone . Do not let anyone take psychological control of you and thereby exploit you loneliness of kind-heartedness .

    Be aware that URLs can be spoofed and fake sites made to look like the real sites .
    Consider a credit freeze .https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0497-credit-freeze-faqs

    Make sure you know about : phishing / spear phishing / keystroke monitors / social engineering / hacking / trojan horses / back doors / adware / viruses / worms /
    ' Nigerian' email scams / revenge porn / sextortion / ransomware / suspicious emailed links / spam / catfishing and everybody's favorite, trolling .
     
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  2. TelstaR

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    I don't think this is a SA issue but possibly a "security methodology" issue. In my estimation, this guy should have been confronted (sorted out) and assessed long before he simply decided to attack. A man with a long hooded coat in moderate weather, a fake beard and acting oddly.. should not have been able to successfully conceal a SHOTGUN while roaming around a church sanctuary that had an active security team in place. Although violence would likely have happened regardless, its typically in your best interest to disrupt the attackers mission asap or at least in a manner of your choosing and not his. If the fight is going to happen, I would rather frame it to my advantage.
     
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  3. TelstaR

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    As far as SA goes.. I do not believe that the lone citizen is going to have the resources or assistance needed to attain any real situational awareness in the active public spaces that they do not control. In my opinion, what we can do is pay attention to what is happening around us so that at least we have an opportunity to detect the ripples in the water.

    SA is was you can work toward but without the aid of tech or other people, you are not likely to achieve it by simply utilizing a primary 180 observation arch supplemented by a intermittent 360 degree arch at ground level. Although you may not have a complete handle on your "situation", you may actually have a handle on your personal operational space or "bubble".

    I think Situational Awareness as a buzz word is simply misapplied in most instances.
     
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  4. Ghost1958

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    Agree. "Situational Awareness" is about as over used a term as tactical.

    Many carry mouse guns really not suited for any serious situation, misguidedly believing the magical SA will assure the will never need the gun they carry to survive.

    SA is a good thing to try to attain to the best of ones ability , but it's not the magic ability some believe it is.
     
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  5. TelstaR

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    I do not subscribe the drama of "tactical seating" or its associated theatrics. I will sit where I feel will be most enjoyable to me, not where I think I can best thwart a criminal op. I just live my life and do my best to pay attention but I don't conduct myself like I am some sort of sentinel. I think far too many people live their life like some sort of spec-op mission.
     
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  6. TelstaR

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    noticing how someone orients themselves in a parking space is probably NOT going to be what saves the day. Pursuit parking is something straight out of 1970s cop shows. I wouldn't count on it being a realistic indicator of a robbery or crime in general.

    People parking backed in is no more of an indicator of bad deeds than everyone parking traditionally being an indicator that everything is "normal".
     
  7. manta

    manta Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I was referring to the post bellow and pointing out that reverse parking is just good practice and mandatory in some place's, and not a of an indicator of bad deeds so we agree.

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  8. Ghost1958

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    Have to admit I do , when I can , sit in resturants etc where I can see the entrances and counter , against a wall if possible. But if I cant I won't leave over it.
     
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  9. TelstaR

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    fair and sensible.. I cant point to any "drama" in that
     
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  10. manta

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    My seating preference in a restaurant would have nothing to do with Situational Awareness, it would not even come into my thinking. If i lived some wear else, or here 20 years ago that would have being different, they liked to blow and shoot up bars and restaurants here. So it depends on your situation, and threats real of imagined.
     
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  11. Rentacop

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    If you carry a gun, you become conscious of the fact that you may be the only person around who can save the day if something happens . You begin to realize that simply being armed isn't enough ; Being in the right spot, being alert ( see also : Cooper's color code ), being sober and calm are all important . You wonder about scenerios involving innocent bystanders, multiple attackers, responding police and your own training kicking in .
    Of course it is easier to go about unarmed and relieve yourself of all such concerns....
     
  12. Trunk Monkey

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    Cooper's color code has nothing to do with Situational Awareness, it's a decision making tree.

    White I'm in a safe environment and all is right with the world.

    Yellow I'm in an environment that has the potential to be unsafe and I'm acknowledging and preparing myself for the fact that I may have to shoot someone today.

    Orange is I've identified a specific person who may become a threat. I may have to shoot him today.

    Red is a very specific threat and you're setting If/then parameters. If that person crosses this line then I will shoot him today.

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    is very simply the point at which your If/Then line has been crossed.

    Situational awareness should be like the diagnostic computer in your car it's always running in the background but you don't notice it until it notifies you there's a fault.

    I don't worry about how people park at Stop and Robs because I know that Stop and Robs are watering holes (predators go there looking for prey) and I avoid them like the plague. Same thing with ATM machines I don't care what time it is. People literally go to ATMs looking for somebody to rob. Why in the HELL would I go there when I can get cash back at Walmart?

    There are five questions that are always running in the back of my mind.

    Where am I?
    Who is around me?
    What are they doing?
    And what's out of place?

    The most important question is "Who's paying attention to me?" Because those are the people I want to watch. Always watch the Watchers. If somebody is checking you out there's a reason for it and I'm way too damn old for it to be because I'm hot.

    If I don't know you and you're trying to get into my bubble there's a reason for it and I start going up the decision tree.

    If it's because you want to give me a copy of the Watchtower or sell me Girl Scout cookies I'm OK with that.

    If you want to panhandle or you want to know what time it is or you need directions I start wondering why you picked me to ask that question.

    And the only person's day that I carry a gun to save is mine, my wife's or my kids. If you're not in one of those three groups you are on your own
     
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  13. Donn

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    That^^^^ right there says it all. Due respect to those of you who consider yourselves the sheepdog, ready and willing to save the huddled masses. That's your call. I took the time, expense, and huge responsibility to carry a firearm to protect me & mine. Anyone who chooses not to, for whatever reason, that's on them. Got back from Vietnam a long time ago. I'm not running toward the gunfire any more.
     
  14. Ghost1958

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    Other than church security I'm no sheepdog.
    That said , an armed thug acting with I'll intent in a restuarant etc is a threat to everyone in range of his firearm .. including me and mine. Even if his attention is not directed specifically at me.
    And will be dealt with as such.
     
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  15. manta

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    Exactly.
     
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  16. kfox75

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    My own view on it falls somewhere between both of these. If I can safely get myself, and who I'm with out, I'm hanging back, and covering, until they are out, and ideally, extracting myself from the situation, ASAFP. That's the general plan for me, and mine.

    However, if the situation dictates, and an armed response is needed, then yes, I will close to engage, so long as I have a safe and clear shot. The situation I got shot in, the main reason I didn't go out the back with the couple I was covering, is this. My business partner was out at the truck, and his pistol was in the center console. He would have had to move from the gas door, to the interior, to get it, to return fire. (Which yes, he did get it out, and take cover at the front of the truck, once the goblin started shooting, and the clerk shot him.)

    Had we both been in there, him having served in the Corps for 24 years, I can't say what he would have done, but I would have been the first to suggest dea**ing the area, and calling LE.

    As I had someone who could have been a potential target, and he and his wife are like my wife's and my brother and sister, that changed things. Just as it would if my wife, daughter, son in law, or father and stepmother were with me.
     
  17. kfox75

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    Hell, I almost always reverse park, for several reasons. It's easier to get out of the space, as you are sticking less of your vehicle out, your hood is where someone can pull up and jump start the car, without having to have someone else move theirs, and you only have to put it in gear once, to go.

    The bike, I always back into a space as well, as most spaces around here face downhill. Two of my bikes exceed 800 pounds, and neither one has reverse.
     
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  18. Rentacop

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    " Black " is not part of Cooper's color code ; it was added by other instructors .
    Here is a better explanation of Cooper's Color Code :https://www.bsr-inc.com/awareness-color-code-chart/
     
  19. Trunk Monkey

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  20. JimRau

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    I don't know if it came from Cooper or not but that color code AS BEEN AND STILL IS USED to describe a mental state of awareness in LE training ever sence I went into LE 45+ years ago. :rolleyes: By the way when did you move to CO???