Sis missouri gun laws

Discussion in 'Missouri Gun Forum' started by cbman417, Oct 3, 2013.

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  1. cbman417

    cbman417 New Member

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    Got the bad new today denied on ccw permit it showed my felony conviction,but it was a sis, i dont have a conviction on my record ,but fbi can open sis and sealed records . I purchases a firearm and past a ncic check with flying colors. Why cant i get a ccw permit in missouri ??? Atf agent said if conviction is not on file i should be able to get my ccw permit,because i can posses and buy a firearm,if i had a felony conviction on file wouldnt it stop me from buying a firearm? Can please some one help me. Thank you!!!
     
  2. mountainman13

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    Your best bet is to speak to a lawyer. The NRA should be able to direct you to one.
    You're in a shall issue state. Unless you're a felon.
    Also prohibited from receiving a concealed carry permit in Missouri are persons who have been convicted of misdemeanors involving violence within the past five years, persons convicted of more than one DUI within the past five years, persons who are habitually in a drugged or intoxicated conditions, persons who have been dishonorably discharged from the military and anyone who the sheriff reasonably believes is a danger to himself or others.
     
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  3. MisterMcCool

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    "Suspended imposition of sentence (SIS); This is a type of probation that after you plead guilty or have been found guilty, you may get a SIS."
    If this is some sort of probation in lieu of incarceration, I don't see how it would absolve the conviction. :confused:
     
  4. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    if you could be sentence to more than a year for a felony, it's considered a conviction, regardless of whether you served it on probation or not. check out question 11c on the 4473 Form.

    http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

    best advice, get a good lawyer and have him check into. any felony conviction is grounds to deny you possession of any firearm.
     
  5. MisterMcCool

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    But the state allows him to own a firearm? Missouri is weird. :confused:

    Not Eligible:
    Sheriff Toelke said that people who have been convicted of a felony but were granted a suspended imposition of sentence (s.i.s.) are not eligible to hold a concealed carry permit under the law.

    In s.i.s. cases, people are under the impression that once they have satisfied terms of their probation that the record is “wiped clean,” Toelke said. But that’s not the case because the felony conviction is still there for law enforcement purposes, he noted.

    “If a person was found guilty or pled guilty to a felony and received an s.i.s, even though it might be 30 years ago, they still don’t qualify for a concealed carry permit,” Toelke stressed.
    http://www.emissourian.com/news/top...818-08b8-509b-9b6a-04878ee75130.html?mode=jqm
     
  6. MisterMcCool

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    You need to have an attorney petition for an executive pardon including restoration of your civil rights.
     
  7. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i'm no lawyer by any means, but what i interpreted by reading the question 11c on the 4473 form is that, "if you could have been sentenced to a year or more for a felony" that makes him a prohibited person from buying or possessing a firearm.

    also the conviction can't be put aside, it has to be expunged, which requires a lawyer and petition before the court where the offence occured, and has to be done by a judge.

    i fully agee, he needs the services of a lawyer to straighten this out.

    OP, just a word of caution. i would be thinking of seriously removing any firearms you have in your possession until this is resolved by an attorney. being a covicted felon in possession of a firearm, will get you time in a federal prison, with no recourse to ever possess a firearm again.
     
  8. cbman417

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    ok then way was i cleared through NCIC and purchased a firearm and ATF says i can buy and own a firearm with a SIS. then way you say no?
     
  9. MisterMcCool

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    I assume because it was not a federal conviction and Missouri does not report SIS convictions to the federal government?
     
  10. mountainman13

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    Sheriff has final say. You're basically in a may/shall issue state and you fall under the may issue category.
    The only way you're getting a license is to move to a different state.
     
  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    any felony is grounds for denial. state or federal.
     
  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    don't have an answer for that. i'm not a lawyer. but i suggest you seek one out and get this cleared up, before it becomes a huge problem.

    could be it's slipped through the cracks, for whatever reason, but if you don't get it straightened out, and are caught with a firearm, it will be bad. as in prison time. a felony conviction is a felony conviction.

    it's your choice. you can either play the luck game, or take the advice we have suggested as in getting a lawyer and letting him take care of the problem.
     
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    I got denied in Missouri too for to many dui convictions that were supposed to be off my record. No felonies but I had 4 DUIs and a darn good lawyer. After mo denied me I tried Utah and got denied. Then I tried Florida and got it with no problems.

    I would try Florida if I were you and see what happens, also with an out of state permit the cops here don't know I have it unless I want them to. doesn't show up when they run my name
     
  15. cbman417

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    ok then way was i able to purchase a firearm with a NCIC check?
     
  16. cbman417

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    where did you take the flordia test? and cost and wait time? will missouri honor flordia if live in missouri? thank you sir
     
  17. cbman417

    cbman417 New Member

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    then way did my NCIC check clear me to purchase a firearm?
     
  18. jimogden1984

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    you do it through the mail. If you're in my area I can refer you to an instructor That's Florida certified. You pretty much do all the leg work yourself. class, fingerprints, passport quality photo, and not sure what else, it's been a few years.
     
  19. cbman417

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    then why did i purchase a firearm and the NCIC approve me ?
     
  20. jimogden1984

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    http://www.freshfromflorida.com/Divisions-Offices/Licensing

    I did a quick look over and didn't see anything specificity about our of state permits but I'm sure it's there somewhere. It would also probably be a good idea to do as others have suggested here and get that felony checked out to make sure it's really gone.
     
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