Single shot,tilting block mystery pistol

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by azathoth, Feb 7, 2012.

  1. azathoth

    azathoth New Member

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    I was given this pistol as a gift,and was wondering if anyone out there could tell me something about it.It seems to be a .32 caliber(at least the bore is the same size as an Iver Johnson owl head revolver),and has no maker's name of any kind.The only markings on it are two marks on the bottom of the receiver.One appears to be an 8 or 3,struck over another number or letter.The other is a clear number 1.Looks something like a Flobert pistol,except for the action,which works on a lever.
    Anyone have any ideas about this one?
     

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  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Absolutely beautiful pistol- and I do not have a clue. Action is similar to the Matini- which came out of an American design, but then went to Europe. Caliber could be anything, including some of the .310 Cadet (Greener) rounds.

    You may want to try contacting the National Firearms Museum in VA to see if they can help ID.
     

  3. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    That is a beautiful handgun, and I wish I could help you but I can't
     
  4. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    My guess is British as they like those Martini actions over there. Its OK c3 we know you meant to put the "r" in Martini. Rear sight looks kinda British also. Action is a little sleeker than you usually see.
     
  5. azathoth

    azathoth New Member

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    It does look a bit like a Martini action,though none of the ones I can find pictures of have the double set triggers.My dad,who gave me the gun,tells me he sent a picture of it years ago to National Rifleman magazine,and they couldn't help him.Love to know what it's worth,though.
     
  6. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    So, this is a converted muzzle-loading pistol, right? I mean, i see the wedge for the barrel, the double triggers, the lock-sized & shaped scallop on the normal lock side, and the grip looks familiar from some muzzle-loading wallhangers. I guess this was obvious but not stated for the dim ones like me. :eek:

    Maybe Hawg will know?

    It is cool whatever it is. I would like to see a picture of the rear sight, but there is noooo chance i could identify it, just curious.
     
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  7. tellmaster207

    tellmaster207 New Member

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    I would still send it to the NRA technology has changed a lot. They might know the answer now. Either way I would guess it's a gunsmith build. Good luck with your research, I wish I was doing it.
     
  8. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    No orangello it started out its life as a Martini cartridge gun. Many guns from Europe have the wedges. The grip sure looks like the BP pistol that Trez has but there again it was fairly common for pistols in Europe.
     
  9. Durangokid

    Durangokid New Member

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    It looks very much like the work of W.W. Greener of London. That is a very expensive English pistol.:)
     
  10. orangello

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    Cool! I was not aware of the wedge usage over there, interesting.
    Is there a pic of the other side?
     
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  11. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    I'm going to guess that it's European. German, Austrian--or possibly
    Swiss. That rear sight on the pistol looks exactly like a rear sight
    from a Swiss Peabody.

    http://www.militaryrifles.com/Switzerland/SwisPeab.htm

    To the OP---have you pulled the barrel and looked for proof marks on the
    bottom? Lack of ANY proof marks is a bit unusual on a European gun.
     
  12. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The trigger and lever looks like Hammerli.
     
  13. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Why does it have two triggers? :confused:
     
  14. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    "Why does it have two triggers?"

    It is called a set trigger. You pull one trigger till you hear a click that sets the other trigger so just an ounce or two will make it fire.
     
  15. azathoth

    azathoth New Member

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    I've had the fore stock off,and there are no markings underneath that.Other than that,I'm not too comfortable with taking it apart.The other side is identical,except for where the shorter end of the wedge shows,which runs clear through.The sight does look just about like the one BillM mentions on the Peabody.Seems like this must have been put together as a custom job from different makers parts.
    It might be a good idea to try the NRA again.Do they have an e-mail address you can send to for that purpose,does anyone know?
     
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  16. kryptar19

    kryptar19 New Member

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    I agree. Deffenatly looks European. British or Itialian