Simple and Inexpensive Home Defense (An Example)

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by SGT-MILLER, Aug 7, 2009.

  1. SGT-MILLER

    SGT-MILLER New Member

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    How many of you want to know what is a simple and very inexpensive choice for home defense? Well, if you are reading this, you're at least curious so here is one very sturdy (and controversial) example:

    Pistol cost: $139.99

    Extra Magazine: $12.99

    Folding Knife: $15.00 (from pawn shop)

    Standard 115 grain FMJ 9x19mm ammo: $14.99 (1 box of 50 rounds)

    Soft Pistol Case: $5.99

    Total: $188.96

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    Does the pistol work fairly decent? Yep, it sure does.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96CyDvPbnOQ"]YouTube - Hi Point C9 Range Visit[/ame]

    This is just one example out of a few that shows a simple home defense kit can be put together for very little cash. Don't be intimidated by all the expensive pistols out there, and the common advice that you need something upwards of 600-1000 dollars to perform the task of home defense. If you can afford something more "mainstream", do it. If all you can afford is something like above, then don't hesitate to get one.
     
  2. AsmelEduardo

    AsmelEduardo New Member

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    Cool

    Nice SGT. It's true... you don't need a pretty good looking expensive set up... you need something that WORKS -period. And that is a capable and reliable set up. Nice post and nice video. Keep it that way. :p
     

  3. Shotgun Shooter

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    Very nice. Now I just need more relaxed gun laws.

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  4. RL357Mag

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    This should be interesting...I expect the usual gang of HiPoint-bashers will be along shortly... :rolleyes: Good post Sgt.! I hope it doesn't go the way of the last "discussion" on HiPoint firearms...but then again in one of the other threads I read that you put a lot of time into your HiPoint to make it "reliable" so maybe they'll cut you some slack...
     
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  5. caniswalensis

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    I am not a gun owner, but I have been considering one for home defense, and hanging out here with all you good folk has got me thinking about it more than ever.

    I was really planing on getting a shotgun though. It seems to me that they are more intimidating, easier to hit your target with, and the shot will be less likely to penetrate the walls of my home and hit innocent people.

    Sarge, are there advantages to having the set-up you show over a shotgun?

    How does everyone feel about shotgun vs. handgun for home defense?

    If I went with a shotgun, what is a good basic one to bye for home defense? What sort of shells should I use?

    Regards, Canis
     
  6. IGETEVEN

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    A shotgun would be an excellent choice for a primary or secondary line of home defense. A 12 gauge Mossberg 500 pump would be a great choice. It is reasonably priced $250-350, and very reliable and depending on the model and bells and whistle accessories you might want to add. You can go tactical as well, instead of a hunting format. This one here is very similar to mine.

    Jack
     

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  7. AsmelEduardo

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    Canis, if you want a "budget" shotgun.... go for a Maverick 88, is exactly the same Mossberg 500, in matter of fact, Mossberg owns Maverick... for less than $300 you can find a brand new Maverick 88 with 18" barrel....
    What you have to look when buying a shotgun for home defense? a 18"-20" barrel... you need a short barel because it's easier to use INSIDE the house, more than 22" barrel will be dificult to maneuver in a hallway.... about the ammo... I like 23/4 buckshot #00... I think that is more than enough.
     
  8. JoshX3Magazine

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    At the risk of gently pushing this thread back on topic, well done and well-said SGT. When the zombies are at the door, ANYTHING is better than nothing, and Hi-Point firearms do the one thing that is necessary: work. Plus their warranty is pretty darn good too, in case any problems DO arise.

    Just like you don't NEED a Ferrari to get to and from work every day, a firearm doesn't have to be pretty to save your life as long as it gets you from A to B in one piece.

    Back on the shotgun thing, there's nothing quite like one for home defense. Often, "clack-CLACK" is more than enough to make a bad person not want to do bad things anywhere near you anymore...and if it doesn't, well, a healthy dose of buckshot will probably get you the last word in any argument.

    Josh
     
  9. c3shooter

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    Good post. Would add- if you are truly strapped for cash- For years High Standard made their Flite King pump shotgun for Sears, under the JC Higgins name. The JC Higgins Mdl 20. There was a 12 g and a 20 g version. Last one I bought was in 90% condition, set me back $85. Add a box of buckshot and decent flashlight, and you are about $100.

    Have a few of these- reliable, accurate, and the doves never complain I dropped them with a store brand shotgun.

    Yesterday I was talking with an older neighbor (turns 85 next month) when a neighbor of his approached us in the parking lot, concerned that he had seen 2 coyotes in his cattle pasture- what should he do? Old gent looked at him, said "Man- what kind of farmer are you that don't own a gun?"
     
  10. boatme98

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    I've been looking at the HiPoints recently. I do think I'll pick one up in the future. Inexpensive and reliable. How can you beat it?
     
  11. skullcrusher

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    I'm surprised the Hi-Point haters have not chimed in yet. If you are looking at Hi-Point, I would suggest the .45, just for the extra punch. They are a little more than the 9mm or .380 and the ammo is more $. An HD-Pack from Hi-Point come with a hard case, laser, holster and a Ka-Bar folding pocket knife. The .45 HD-Pack will set you back about $220.00 or so.

    Nice report, SGT as always. :D
     
  12. SGT-MILLER

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    There are less comments by Hi-Point haters because of the fact that they are being proven as a decent deal for the low amount of money spent.

    I will be the first to say that the Hi-Point isn't the best thing since the 1911 / Sig / Sprinfield (And it never will be).

    BUT......for the measly 150 dollars (on average), it is a damn good weapon!

    I had my times in the past when I doubted the Hi-Point due to varying reasons. The more I learned the better educated my opinion became. I can say now that I know this brand of weapon inside out.

    The funnest thing I always laugh at is the trend of comparing a Hi-Point to a Glock / Sig / Springfield / insert other 500 dollar plus gun here.

    The first thing I say to those people is this:

    Saying your Glock beats out a Hi-Point is like saying "Hey! I just won a race...............against a tree!"

    The Hi-Point is competition for the other pistol maker in it's price bracket, which is Cobra Arms.

    Think about it. Would you compare something like a Kimber to a Nighthawk? Nighthawk is truly custom made, and the Kimber is only "custom" in the academic sense. They are still rolled off a factory line in all their MIM glory.

    There is also this little phenominon I encounter on a regular basis:

    If a Hi-Point jams: "ZOMG! Your Hi-Point really sucks bad. They are such junk. You should throw it away. It'll blow up in your face, dude!"

    If a Glock / Kimber / etc jams: "Dude chill! It's just a break in phase. I don't care what you say, because my pistol still rules all!"
     
  13. skullcrusher

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    Well put, SGT. I have said here many times that I would not carry a Hi-Point because of the weight and bulk. It is not my first line of defense. It is not any of those things because I have other options. It does go bang and it is accurate for a fixed barrel semi. :D
     
  14. young gun

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    In my opinion there is no better man stopper than a shotgun but the down side that i've come to realize about having a shotgun for home defense over a pistol is that when the neighbor or family or police knock on your door you cant answer holding a long gun without scaring the hell out of someone, but you can answer with your pisol still in holster which they wont see. Might want to keep that in mind. You could always get a pistol and a shotty so you can answer any home defense situation :rolleyes:
     
  15. caniswalensis

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    I had not thought of this. Thanks for the input.

    Canis
     
  16. Gojubrian

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    Nice post sarge, but hi-points are just butt ugly and look like an 18v drill. Heavy, ugly, mostly reliable, difficult to clean, cheap gun worth every $150 you pay for it.

    I'd prefer the 995 from hi-point and would not suggest using one for a primary home defense weapon if you have something else.

    Shotguns are great for home defense except the maneuverability factor. You can't use a shotgun and dial the phone at the same time either.

    Also, I don't like to use 'tacticool' weapons for home defense. Like it or not there are leeches out there that call themselves lawyers that would have a field day while parading your 'evil black shotgun made for killing' shotgun around infront of a jury.

    Besides, this works just as well.

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  17. GatorDude

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    Ultimately, you are talking about hitting a silhuoette or pie plate sized target within the confines of your home. Unless you've got a really big, big, big home, you should be able to manage hits. I was a little put off by the size of the Hi-Points that I handled at a gunshow. However, they should be perfectly adequate for most people.

    I went with a Smith and Wesson SW9VE. It was $359. S&W sent me a $50 rebate and 2 additional magazines (probably worth another $50). I feel that is an almost unbeatable value. I'm very happy with my purchase and I'm glad to have something for home defense. Unfortunately, with the recession kicking my butt, it'll be a little while before I can blow $800 or more on a pistol, buy gobs and gobs of ammo, and return to the range in earnest.
     
  18. Lowrider

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    Very good post. Apprecieate the video.... Well done.
     
  19. WDB

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    SGT Miller that isn't the Hipoint you brought home. Tell everyone what you did to it do be a trusted shooter and a nice looking pistol.
     
  20. SGT-MILLER

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    Hogue Hand-All grip: $19.99

    Krylon flat tan heavy duty paint: $4.95

    The only two things I did that helps with the feed reliability and operations are I polished the feed ramp with 220 grit (fine) sandpaper to take the paint from the factory off, and I used the same sandpaper to smooth out the bottom of the slide (sometimes the actions can feel slightly "gritty").

    You don't need to do this in order for the gun to run well. I just did it because I view this gun as my "tinkering" gun. I will soon purchase a Bushman stainless steel trigger, and I will do some "fluff and buff" to the trigger assembly to smooth it out a little better. I did some initial buffing to the assembly already, and I have a pretty consistent break for a cheap trigger system.

    This guy put Bushman triggers on his two Hi-Points. They look much better than the stock version, that's for sure.

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    It also helps that I have close to 1000 rounds through it, and all the parts are well worn in.

    P.S. I would love to do a 1000 round torture test to see how far the thing will run. If it somehow did good, I would post it up on youtube and piss some people off.....lol.