I'm planning on ordering a Simmons Point 8 4x12 40mm scope for seventy dollars for my rra varmint upper. I looked through the same scope in a 3x9x40 at the LGS and it really looked clear and seemed like a nice scope for 70 dollars. I havent been able to look through the 4x12 though. It can be oredered only. I would think the 12 power would cost a little more, but the 3x9 and the 4x12 are priced the same. It makes me wonder if the clarity is as good in the 4x12 as the 3x9 I was able to look through. Anyone have any thoughts on this. I also want to mount this on my AR as low as possible w/o the cantaliever mounts. I want some low profile verticle rings to keep this scope as low as possible. Simmons doesnt give the OD specs of this scope, and am unsure what will clear by how much. I know this scope isn't real high quality, but I can always take it off and stick it on a 17 or 22. if I change my mind. But I'd like to buy some halfway quality rings for the Ar though. Hopefully for around 50 dollars or less. Any ideas or responses would be appreciated. ??