Silver Bear Ammo

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by The_Rican, Apr 26, 2010.

  1. The_Rican

    The_Rican New Member

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    I am looking for some feedback on Silver Bear® .223 (5.56x45 mm) Remington® 62 - grain Ammo. I am mainly using it for target practice.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Missileman

    Missileman New Member

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    Silver Bear is OK for practice/plinking--made in Russia, it is steel cased, non-reloadable. May leave excess residue, so clean your weapon well after use, including the chamber to remove any varnish residue.
     

  3. The_Rican

    The_Rican New Member

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    Thats what I have been reading. Do you happen to know why is it that Zinc plated is better than just steel cased? I was between the Brown Bear and the Silver Bear.
     
  4. Missileman

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    I believe they do that to reduce rusting/corrosion, (since these are military rounds that get abused in storage over a Russian winter). You can probably store these longer than the plan steel versions without corrosion concerns...
     
  5. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The brown bear is laquer/polymer coated steel cases. The silver bear is Zinc plated. The golden bear is brass cased. The silver bear should not leave any residue behind other than carbon from the dirty powder.

    IMHO, if you just shoot the inexpensive domestic ammo like Winchester white box or Federal red box, you pay a little more bit have reloadable cases left over that you may find a use for in the future.
     
  6. Last Crow

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    I used some Wolf and Silver Bear at a CMP shoot. I don’t know if it was the Wolf or Silver Bear, but I had 4 jams shooting 64 rounds. They were 55 grain.
     
  7. jpattersonnh

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    The laquer coated stuff is scarey. I shot some out of my 5.56 DCM one weekend. Gave the chrome lined bore a quick cleaning and put the rifle away. A week later I pulled it out to really give it a good scrubbing. The bore was covered w/ what looked like mold. It was the remnants of the polymer that had reacted w/ the FP10 cleaner I used. Freaked me right out. I scrubbed the snot out of that rifle. Never again will I use any of the 1000 rounds of Russian I have in my better rifles. Now I need a Sar3 AK to burn it up! Edit: BTW the ammo is Barnuel.
     
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  8. m72law

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    i've heard silver bear ammo was pretty good...i myself have never tried any...now i have tried golden bear in 3006 and i must say its loaded very hot...so hot 4 out of 20rds case blow out ocurred..if thats what ya call it?...after shooting each round i inspected the cases very closely and noticed the 4 rds were split on the sides @ neck and half way down the body...maybe this is why i cant find anymore of the stuff in 3006 size:eek:i still have about 200rds of the stuff and im not scared to shoot it in any 3 of my rifles...but it does beat my shoulder when fired in my bolt gun:eek:
     
  9. Benning Boy

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    Robo, is, once again, on it.

    The lacquer coated stuff is indestructible, but when that lacquer heats up, it leaves deposits that harden and require scraping to get rid of. Fine in loose fitting com-block weapons, but with a tight AR, the goop turns to something like hard tack in your gun, and you'll need dental tools and solvent like crazy.

    Silver bear has, I believe, a sealing compound around the primers only, and I read somewhere that the zince is supposed to ensure a smooth feed.

    I have some in pistol calibers, and frankly it runs better than some Wally world brass.
     
  10. Txhillbilly

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    I shoot Wolf,and Brown Bear out of my AR's all the time.If you clean you weapons good,you will probably never have any problems with the protective coatings that come on this type of ammo.
    I have never experienced any problems,and have fired many cases of this stuff through my guns.

    The Brown Bear ammo shoots alot more accurate than the Wolf ammo out of all of my 223's
     
  11. Benning Boy

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    I would shoot Brown Bear in my AK. I would start cleaning, and I had more rainbow colors than a Pride Parade on my Q-Tips.
     
  12. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    Robocop,

    Co-worker has some issues with his flat top firing Bear .223, he would run a 30 rounds and then the jamming / misfiring starts - might be from the laquer/polymer coating (not sure). He has had enough, I advised him to use the remaining rounds 30 only per visit to the range and fire winchester, pmc, etc.

    I wish I could provide other details - on the malfunctions with the bear! I have had numerous attempts to get hime to the range; however, honey do list comes into play!

    Wednesday, is a coming and it is range time; however, the winds will calm down! If the winds are going, time for drive to the Gun Show this weekend 1-2 May at the Expo Hall in Albuquerque! :D
     
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  13. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    If you look at the design of the Russian ammo (7.62 X 39 and 7.62 X 54R) they both have pronounced body tapers. The .223 is a nearly straight bodied case (from base to shoulder). I believe the taper of the Russian case works fine with the laquer/polymer, but the US designed .223 was never designed for and does not reliably work with the coated ammo.

    Remember, the case serves two functions..1 as the recepticle that contains the primer/powder/bullet and 2 the gasket that seals off the chamber. A steel case will seal off properly when tapered like the Russian ammo. Steel will not expand properly to seal the chamber in a straight walled case like the .223. Mikhail Kalashnikov and Sergei Simonov understood this and designed their rifles to take advantage of the ammunition's design.

    IF you choose to shoot laquer/polymer coated ammo in .223, be prepared to clean the chambers VERY well. You should almost expect malfunctions if you let the barrel heat up.

    Personally, shooting cheap ammo through an expensive rifle is like using re-refined motor oil in an expensive sports car.
     
  14. The_Rican

    The_Rican New Member

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    Wow!

    Thanks for all the help.. I order some of the Silver Bear and will let you guys know how it went.. So basically, brown Bear bad, Silver ok.. :D
     
  15. ANAKINANAYA

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    its ok but older rifles that have smaller twist in the barrel but i shot it out of my mini 14 and it wasn't as accurate ass 55 grn but should work good in any ar
     
  16. CHLChris

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    A bump...wondering if others (I think the_Rican disappeared) have had good or bad experience with Silver Bear.
     
  17. wmille01

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    the first package of ammo I shot out of my mosin was silver bear match grade, shot pretty well. I just picked up some wolf and am planning on testing it out tomarrow.