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Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by derek, Apr 28, 2012.
Let me know your opinions shooters. I'm gonna be getting on for a 9mm.
Yeah, let me know how that works out for you------
What gun do you WANT one for?
That sounds like a silencer to me lol.
Yeah I want a silencer too...the mythical device that will turn the blast of a 12 gauge into a "phhht" ala No Country For Old Men. When you find one, let me know!
Yeah, you're talking about a suppressor. Don't expect it to do what a "silencer" does in the movies.
1. You need to find out if they're legal where you live.
2. What gun do you specifically want one for?
Sister Mary Elizabeth always kept us too scared to make any noise.
True- Nuns are among the best of sliencers
Sionics or advanced armament
If you want a weapon that makes next to no sound, you might want to try a knife. Or a baseball bat. Suppressed weapons are still loud as hell itself, but if you insist, try Silencerco. They make high quality ones in popular calibers and are stylin' too boot. But the cost as much as new gun, so I would save my money.
SUPPRESSED weapons are very quiet when using subsonic ammo
most factory loaded .45 acp are subsonic. the sound of the slide cycling is louder than the suppressed round itself.
The best ones that i have seen and "heard" are from Surefire.
Yea I know they only change the noise mostly and change the velociy of the bullet. Its gonna go on my hk 9mm usp. I'm looking at the evolution 9 from advanced armament.
Be prepared for a long wait. I was told 6-8 months for the paper work to filter through the government red tape.
I am 3.5 months into my wait for an AAC Eco9. They are not in production anymore. During my search, Thompson Machine came up as a good budget suppressor. Ti-rant and Osprey are other good choices at a much higher price point. Just factor in that the Thompson suppressors do not include a booster to help cycle recoil based pistols.
People I have talked to who have Surefire suppressors liked them but agree they are very expensive for the performance.
Suppressors are new to my State so I have had little listen time. I was the fourth person in my county to get the CLEO sign off some four months after they were deemed legal.
Supressors do not change the velocity of a bullet. They only do that in movies and video games.
What they do:
Reduce felt recoil
reduce or eliminate muzzle climb
Reduce sound signature
well designed ones increase accuracy
Increase gas pressure in gas operated firearms
Reduce slide energy in delayed blow back operated pistols
Due to the reduced recoil energy most handguns need a nielsen device that attaches to the barrel then to the suppressor to get it to run. Any firearm that you want to suppress needs some sort of threading even integral suppressed ones
Same here I applied for a SBR and my CLEO told me this is only the second one they have ever done in the 25 yrs he has been there, the other one was for one of the other officers personal HD shotgun 11 yrs ago . I guess I should feel lucky .
SBR's have not been deemed legal yet. As soon as they are, I'm adding a short AR in 300 Blk to my inventory. Other than that, I could care less about them.
Our NFA legality is by AG opinion. No laws are changing to make them legal. The constitution is very clear, NFA items are illegal unless all Federal requirements are met. Since NFA requirements have to be met to buy one anyway, they should all be legal. A previous AG said only Curios and Relic items qualified. Not sure how he figured that since C&R is not mentioned in the MI constitution. So one opinion at a time, NFA items become acceptable. So far it is AOW, full auto, and suppressors.
The Surefire that i seen used at training a few years back was a DC "direct connect" that attached to the flash hider of the M4. We were outside of an old middle school that we were using for training in the middle of town, the guy fired 3 shots into a mound and it sounded like an air rifle. Another friend of mine had a Sig 5.56 AR with an AAC blackout flash hider on it with an AAC "DC" suppressor. It wasnt "as loud" but to me it was still loud, he wasnt using subsonic ammo.
Air rifle sound from a supersonic bullet?
Surefire may build a good suppressor but at twice the price of AAC in .30 ($1995 vs $1050 MSRP) it is hard for many to justify. And that is for the cheapest Surefire vs an upgraded AAC (7.62SD). Plus the QD flash hiders are 25% more expensive than AAC.
I'm just comparing to AAC as an example. There are many good choices out there that are even cheaper!
Ar15 are gas operated they dont need a nielsen device to cycle. Some of the sound comes back through the gas system its like silencing a revolver there is some leakage in a gas operated gun but not nearly as bad as a revolver.
It removes most of the boom. A lot of the noise you still hear is the crack of the sound barrier breaking and the operation of the action.
Ive got a surefire 308 suppressor in the works since september last year. Should have the stamp soon. I went surefire since the suppressor will eventually ride on a larue 308. I wanted one rated for very heavy use. I also like the surefire muzzle brake ive got one on my savage 10 fcpsr and that damn thing has recoil like a carbine length ar15 now!!
Ive also got a silencerco stainless sparrow 22lr suppressor for my ruger 22/45 that is one disgustingly quiet gun. Someone clapping is louder than that gun.