Sig Sauer p230 9mm

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by Bull, Apr 9, 2013.

  1. Bull

    Bull New Member

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    I just bought this gun, its a 9mm, but it takes 380 shells is there any way I can change it to 9mm shells
     
  2. SIG

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    Don't think you have a 9mm (9X19). Most P230s are either .380 (9X17) or .32 ACP.
    If the gun is marked 9mm Kurz it's a .380
     

  3. kiabe1

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    Short answer is no
     
  4. Bull

    Bull New Member

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    Naw its a 9mm it says it on the gun and the box it cam in
     
  5. Bull

    Bull New Member

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    I mean, came in my bad
     
  6. Jagermeister

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    9mm Kurz translates to 9mm short in English. A German .380 gun will say 9mm Kurz on slide. A box of ammo will also say 9mm Kurz. .380 does not exist in Europe's gun nomenclature. This round was developed in Germany.
     
  7. indy36

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    The Sig P230 is a gun chambered in either .32 ACP, .380 ACP, or 9x18. 9x18 is NOT the 9mm you might think of a Glock 17 shooting. Standard 9mm is 9x19. You probably have a gun that fires 9x18. It's not the same thing and you can't make it such. image-1393610870.jpg

    I think of 9x18 as having the "Makarov" after it because that's what the Makarov pistol is chambered in. It's essentially 9mm short. The case is a tad shorter than 9mm Luger. The Sig and Makarov have a fixed barrel and a casing that holds more powder than the 9x18 will damage the gun.
     
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  8. kiabe1

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    380 acp is 9x17 not 9x18.
     
  9. indy36

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    .380 may well be 9x17, i never said it wasn't, but I'm betting his gun fires the 9x18 Makarov round which is distinctly different than the .380 or 9x19. There are 3 different calibers in discussion here, they are:

    1. The .380 ACP, which is 9x17
    2. The 9x18 Makarov
    3. The 9x19 (9mm Luger)

    His Sig is either .380 or 9x18 (9mm Makarov). It is not and never will be 9mm Luger, which answers his original question.
     
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  10. valent

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  12. BeyondTheBox

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    Yup. This gun is either 380 (aka 9x17mm or 9mm short or 9mm kurz) or 9mm makarov (aka 9x18mm).
     
  13. SIG

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    Still waiting for the OP to post pics of either gun with caliber markings or box.
     
  14. SSGN_Doc

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    While others pointed out that the bullet your pistol uses is indeed 9mm in diameter but that the overall cartridge length is 17mm instead of the 9x19mm NATO or Luger round, there are some other reasons the pistol would not be readily converted to the larger 9mm round.

    The pistol you have is a blowback design, that relies on slide weight, and spring tension to hold the cartridge in the chamber until gas pressure drops below safe levels to begin extraction. Using a 9x19 NATO round with the same slide and spring would be dangerous, because they would allow the cartridge to travel back while gas pressure is still high and could cause injury. It could be overcome with a higher mass slide and heavier return spring, but then you would have a bigger bulkier gun with a harder to cycle slide. Probably kind of expensive too since ther are no readily made parts available. Breech face would also have to be sized to fit the slightly narrower .380 case head and fitted for the extractor to engage the .380 rim. The higher pressure 9x19mm round is usually used in guns with a locking breach, or some other design used to ensure extraction does not occur too soon.

    Barrel would need to be replaced or rechambered. Again no readily available barrel in the chambering for that pistol.

    Magazines and mag well are not the right size.

    It is kind of a fault of the firearms industry internationally that there can be so many different ways of expressing a cartridge size, and caliber.

    .380 acp, 9mm Kurtz, 9mm Corto, 9x17mm, 9mm Short and maybe a couple other terms are all what most Americans mostly call .380.

    9x19 NATO is a more modern designation for 9mm Parabellum, 9x19mm, 9mm Luger, 9mm Para., and what a lot of folks just call the 9mm.

    Then there are other less common 9mm rounds, 9x21, 9x23, 9mm Largo, .38 Super, .357 Sig and other rounds that use 9mm bullets.

    9mm Makarov is a 9x18mm but it is also a larger diameter bullet that the others mentioned, with a shorter case than the 9mm NATO and also lower pressure, so it still is often used in blowback designed firearms.
     
  15. rhyno13

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    What's wrong with just leaving it a .380 and go out and buy a 9mm if you want one. I personally like .380's
     
  16. robocop10mm

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    Sorry, but the .380 was developed in 1908 by AMERICAN John Moses Browning. The Germans rarely used the 9 X 17 preferring the full power 9 X 19 or the 7.62 (.32 ACP also a John Browning development) for handguns.
     
  17. Jagermeister

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    You should also hear Shakespeare in it's original German too. :eek:
     
  18. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Jawol. Ol Wilhelm the bard was a good one.
     
  19. jpattersonnh

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    The Sig P230 is the fastest cycling factory handgun I have ever owned or shot.
    It is a fine example of German engineering.
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    I'm with you. Each has its place.

    It just does not roll off the tongue very well.

    Aber weich, bricht welches Licht durch dort drüben Fenster? Es ist der Osten und Juliet ist die Sonne. , Entstehen angemessene Sonne und töten den neidischen Mond,
     
  20. SB777

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    Sorry it's not a Sig but, for what it's worth, here's the markings on my Walther PPK380. I'm still waiting for my local GS to get in a Sig P238.
     

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