Side lock smokepoles

Discussion in 'Blackpowder & Musket' started by Walley, Nov 28, 2009.

  1. Walley

    Walley New Member

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    For the last seven years I have gotten into shooting black powder guns. I really like the traditional side locks. For the last five years, from May 1st until October 1st, we have an informal jackpot shoot every other Sunday afternoon at my place. At these play days the in-line people outnumber us want-to-be Daniel Boons ten to one. I know that in some places you can’t hunt with in-lines but I would like to know how many members hunt with the traditional rifles by choice.
     
  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    T/C Renegade, 50 cal. While everyone is rushing to buy the newest in line 209 saboted, pelleted powder eating critter with a night vision scope- the traditional sidelock rifles are a drug on the market- they are going dirt cheap, and you can pick up NICE guns for very little money. I cast my own maxis, and they will flat ROLL a buck over at 200 yards.
     

  3. TXnorton

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    Not yet, but soon (hopefully soon).

    I am a fairly recent convert to BP. I intend to start working backwards with my next deer to taken by my .45-70 Sharps 1874 with home rolled BP cartridges. Then I'll try my .54 cal Hawken percussion, and then my .54 cal flintlock.
     
  4. Walley

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    Opening day of muzzleloader season here in MN and it ended for me a half-hour after sunrise. Took a nice 8 pointer with my Traditions Shenandoah 50 cal at about 145 yards with open sights. Scopes not allowed here. Ninety grains of Pyrodex RS and a .015 patch. Not a gun this old man would care to carry through the woods much but perfect those longer shots from a stand. Had the 54 cal Hawkins with me just in case I needed a second shot but it was a clean kill. Dead on the spot. Only problem is now I have two guns to clean.
     
  5. Gatekeeper

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    I hunt here in PA with an Austin Halleck .50 Flintlock Mt. Rifle.
    The late season is flintlock only, but we have an early one week BP doe season that is anything goes--Inlines,scopes, etc. I still use my flintlock in the early season.
    To me its just more fun and interesting using traditional BP rifles. I have considered a sidelock percussion for the early season. I dont enjoy inlines at all.
     
  6. Fisherking

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    I have been hunting with my side lock for 3 years and have taken three deer with my T/C Hawkens .50 two does and a ten point . We got skunked this year but I could have filled my tags one mounain bikers and joggers.
    F.K.
     

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  7. W. C. Quantrill

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    .53 cal Hawken. 60 inch twist, fires patched .520 balls or 339gr ballets equally well, and is severe on rams at 200. These pics taken at NRA Whittington Center after a shoot.
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    Now, this is not to say that I recommend to anyone to take 200 yard shots with your muzzleloader. Some may get a kill and most will get a crippled animal. The point here is that these rifles are accurate, but judgement is expected when hunting with them. I regularly make kills with this rifle at 100 yards. I am confident that it would also kill a buck at 200, but, I choose not to hunt at that distance.
     
  8. Fisherking

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    This is the groups I'm getting at 100 yrdsthe bull is not included I just reused an old target but the three with my thumb are the group.
     

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  9. whirley

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    whirley

    I've live in central Pa. and hunted with flintlocks since 1977. I've used several flintlocks, and all were effective shooters. At the present time, because I wanted a carved stock and a musket style lock with 1 inch flint which makes lots of spark. I'm using a modified J.P. Beck style with 42 inch barrel in 45 cal. Custom barrel is from Beaver Springs Pa. Rifle balances very well. Load is 100 gr FFFg behind 127 gr round ball. Muzzle velocity last time I checked was slightly over 2100 fps on chrony. I zero at 125 yards, but shoot at 50, 100, 150 and 200 yards, so I know what bullet drop is over a 200 yard range. 200 yards is a very long shot in Penn. woods. Longest shot I've taken measured 143 yards with a rangefinder afterward, and deer dropped with a spine shot. I've learned to never shoot when a deer is looking at me. The spurt of smoke from the pan makes them jump, so the hit was through the back ribs instead of the shoulder. I had to track a deer about 300 yards because of that. I hunt in McKean county, over 2000 ft. elev. and there's always snow on the ground in January.
     
  10. Hawg

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    I hunt with a custom .54 Hawken and a 53 Enfield. I wouldn't give a dime for a 55 gallon drum full of inlines.
     
  11. MUZZLESMOKE

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    I use a TC Hawkins 54cal, Pedersoli Pennsylvania long rifle and a CVA SXS12 gauge. Got all the categories covered. I have an original 1857 3band enfield. i have shot at the range, see avatar. Might take it hunting. Would love to have a 45-70 breech loader. I do have a trapdoor conversion. It is in very good shape. The only thing bad about it is......finding 45-70 rounds, at a fair price. Anybody have a good site for 45-70.
    Thanks in advance.
    Muzzlesmoke
     
  12. TXnorton

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    TXnorton, Thanks for the site. I should load my own. I do my own round balls.
    Takes a little more equipment to reload. But the price is not bad, I have been paying about $2.25 a round. The only time I shoot it is when I have people over and we are going to the range. Then when everybody sees at the range. They also want to shoot it. Which being the proud PaPa I let them.
    Thanks
     
  14. Ed21

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  15. MUZZLESMOKE

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    45-70 bullets

    TXnorton,

    Thanks for the heads up about web site. I have already found some here in town. I only have 20rd and I reload now. I just shoot it for fun, so I don't need a lot. I'm going out tomorrow and shoot it. Also taking some new finds with me. Tomorrow will be the warmest day we had for a long time. Going to go early in the mourning. And stay all day.
     
  16. unknwnshooter

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    Sidelocks

    As for me my like minded friends, I am 46 years old and have been building and hunting with smokepoles since I was 16. I have owned several inlines over the years and now am down to just one, it has never been fired. I hunt everything from squirrels to ducks to deer, all with a sidelock ( you should see the reactions I get when I show up at the duck blind or the dove fields with my 10 gauge side by side ) and have never felt at a disadvantage for doing so. I am partial to .54 calibers because I shoot roundballs a a general rule, but do cast my own conicals for when I hunt with my rifles of the proper twist. It has always been my long belief that " Hunting is not about how far you can shoot, but rather, how close you can get".
     
  17. zeskullmaster

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    Down and DIRTY

    I have a in-line as well as a side lock and I prefer shooting the old side lock as it feels a bit more comfy to me My in-line is very accurate out to a hundred and fifty yards with 125 grains of Hodgon Pyodex it is a bit dirty and I need to clean the bore after a couple shots I normaly shoot lead balls but when I am reaching out to those itty bitty targets way out there ( Paper ) I have trouble seeing that far but I tend to lean on my in-line for those shots as for the rest of my shooting I always seem to head back to my side lock preccusion rifle and when I am in the mountains I carry a pair of 44 cal. revolvers both are cap and ball so with them and my 5o cal rifle I have my possible bag and I enjoy the area as well as some fine shooting...:D
     
  18. zeskullmaster

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    I agree with the getting in close I am 53 years young and also partly disabled with a bad knee but I still seem to be able to get withing 75 to 100 yards of a nice buck when I am hunting I cast my own mini balls the old fashion way I try to stick to the origanal ways as possible I even go so far as to lube my patches with bacon grease smells pretty good at the range as well LOL :p
     
  19. Brigadeir

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    Most fun to shoot!

    I have an old 'Frankenstein' ky rifle and a Pennsylvania rifle, both in flint. My grandson LOVES to go shooting with me. Make our own balls from wheel weights over the campfires. I shoot a lot of rifles and handguns too, but we enjoy the old flintlocks the best.

    Regards,
    Brig.