SHTF, not going anywhere

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by clr8ter, May 5, 2013.

  1. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Last week we went on vacation to europe. We spent the whole week walking or on public transportation. This taught me something very important: I will NOT be bugging out. Now, I'm pretty active and all, but that made me pretty tired, all that walking. Add in the terrain and I don't think I'd make it. Besides, bug out to where? We live in Southern NH, not many places to go to. In addition, my wife is not at all accustomed to overland anything, particularly walking. If on a skimobile, she might have a chance. AND, I have crappy knees. While on vacation, I slightly bumped my knee on the tub, and felt it for the rest of the week. Aggravated an old injury.
    So suffice it to say, We'll be better off storing stuff and hopefully in the future planting stuff, and staying home. I also hope to get a small group together in case something happens. It seems to me that there would still be a lot of luck involved in surviving something like this, but if not where better to die than at home, right?
    I have also been thinking about our location strategically. I was never in the military, so I'm not sure how to do this, but in one direction, we overlook a near cliff, with a river at the bottom, a main road next to that, and the whole road and river is actually in a valley.
    Anyway, plans are coming together, VERY slowly, though. More thinking going on than anything.
     
  2. TLuker

    TLuker Active Member

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    IMHO you're way ahead of most in that you understand how difficult it would be to walk indefinitely, and with a 200lb pack. :)

    I have a bug out bag and would leave if given no other option, but I keep the minimum amount of supplies. My pack is around 20lbs and that gets old after a couple of miles. I might not have everything to make like comfortable in my pack, but I can carry what I do have. It would just really suck to have to.:mad:
     

  3. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    Anywhere in NH is a step ahead of many others. Well, not in Littleton anymore but you know what I mean. You ARE ahead of the game. Still got alotta mountain people there and you can only canibalize the Boston aholes for so long...

    Be interested to know where in Europe you were...
     
  4. readygirl

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    You got the right idea, bugging out to where..? Then when they find you bugging out to where else...? Your best bet is to stockpile, and stay put. I know Militia is a bad word now, but you just need to form a small one in your neighborhood. Like minded people, who stockpile goods, who plan to come together in SHTF situation, to sleep in shifts, and fight off the people that were not prepared , and now want to steal your preps/ send out armed patrols for water / etc. - not complicated... HCC..Hamilton County Constitutionalist.
     
  5. TLuker

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    "Bug out to where?" is a great question that everyone should already have an answer for. There are any number of events that could result in you having to bug out. It should be an absolute last resort, but it is something to be prepared for. The world is full of refugees, and I'm guessing a good many of them never figured they would end up in that position. :)
     
  6. readygirl

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    I cant think of any place that i could get to on foot, that i would be better off than staying where im at with my preps, and 17 other prepared people. Unless your talking about a dirty bomb/fallout/biological threat. In that situation, you would need to get further away/faster than you could on foot. So might as well just grab your flip flops, and drive to Myrtle Beach....:)
     
  7. TLuker

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    I'd hit the Savannah river and ride it down to the coast (less traffic), or follow it up to the mountains depending on what direction I needed to go. :)

    I'm not saying bugging out is a good idea, but it might be better than not? In your case how far are you from the Ohio river or the Great lakes? There's more than one way to travel. Again, nothing ideal but something to keep in mind if need be. That's why you put together some sort of plan and give it a little thought. I wouldn't say go buy a boat but just give it a little thought just in case.

    And Myrtle Beach isn't any fun unless its summer time.:)
     
  8. pagj17

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    If bugging out is the only option... I've been taking more measures to make it more survivable. I'm working on living a lower impact lifestyle, but at this point, I wouldn't expect more than three to five days of survival. Not being pessimistic, just realistic. Going hiking every weekend, dieting, getting off nicotine and caffeine...
     
  9. therewolf

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    THANK YOU, clr8ter,

    for a refreshing dose of reality.

    I get so tired of all the

    "I must be Peter Pan! I'm going to bug out, for

    some unspecified spot in the mountains I've

    personally never been to, carrying

    a shotgun, 2 assault rifles, a .22LR, 3 pistols,

    5000 rounds for each, 5 gallons of water, a 3-week

    supply of food, an axe, maul, hand-axe, 36" bow saw,

    trenching tool, fishing gear,500 feet of rope, binoculars,

    swiss army knife, survival knife, Bowie knife, machete,

    7 large rolls of duct tape, 2000 feet of para-cord,

    a years supply of clothes, yadda, yadda, blar,blar, etc...".
     
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  10. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    LOL! That's a lot of ****!

    We were in Switzerland. (Did you know that's not it's real name? It's Confederation of Helvetica. Hence all their websites are .CH) Visited Zurich, Geneva, and Luzern.

    Actually, the question "bugging out to where" is what started me thinking. Hockalouis, I don't know where you live, (how do you know about Littleton?) but here in Southern NH, we're not as far ahead as you think. VERY dense, for the most part, there are some places it gets "less dense". Also, we're only 60ish miles from Boston, and have some main roads coming right to here from there. Not good. Our population would go up is something happened.
    Readygirl, how about instead of "Militia" we use "friends"? ;) 'Cause if they're not friends or relatives, they're not coming.......
    Mmm, so many things to say on this issue......will save for later.
     
  11. TekGreg

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    It is extremely hard to bug out, even if you have a place to go. Many people don't think about things like federal highways being closed. Yes, the fed pays to create them and maintain them, therefore under Marshall Law, all interstates will be reserved for Military, LEO and federal agents. Also, any road crossing a federal highway subjects those using it to observation by said forces. Waterways may remain unpatrolled at first, but I would expect to see Forest Rangers and others patrolling in small boats eventually. Obviously every family should create a bug out bag for forced relocations, either weather- or man-made, but it should be plan "B" if at all possible.

    Urban dwellers may be in a position where bugging out is necessary, but a pre-determined exit strategy will be required for any chance of survival. Using creeks, canals, sewers or any other route that doesn't involve the sidewalks or asphalt that every other unprepared person will be hunting on in packs. Chart three ways out of the city and ACTUALLY walk them. As you find the failings, overcome them. You may need to carry a bolt cutter and crowbar to either cut locks to traverse private property or lift manhole covers. Also, if you cut a lock, it helps to carry bailing wire to refasten the chain and make it look locked so you can't be followed. Powerful flashlights and nose plugs for sewers should be carried.

    Also, disguises do work. A yuppy with his L.L. Bean backpack has no chance of surviving - he'll be swarmed in minutes. However, a street bum pulling a ratty old piece of luggage and stinking to high heaven (remember nose plugs?) will be avoided like the plague because of societal preconceptions, i.e. he stinks, he's dirty, he's probably diseased, and his suitcase holds aluminum cans and old newspapers. Get a roller case at least 36" long with retractable tow handle from Salvation Army to use as your BOB. The reason for the length is it will carry an AR-15 for really bad situations. Decorate said bag with bumper stickers and duct tape, making it look like it's falling apart. A few splashes of motor oil or food can add to distressed look. Also get worn, oversized clothes and a hat or cap and make sure they are badly mismatched. The more it looks like it was pulled out of a garbage bin, the better. Tear it a little for authenticity. If done right, you can pull your BOB through rioter-filled streets without being touched. If you want 100% authenticity, use a nylon/poly outer garment and smear it with feces (dog, your own, etc.) to turn any curious away. You can strip it off when reaching relative safety.

    All of this pre-routing, pre-planning, disguising yourself should get you safely through the two to four mile trek out of the city. If your resources permit, store a cheap, simple four-wheel-drive vehicle on a friends property or possibly rent an unattached garage or barn for a few bucks a month. This vehicle would be stored with a larger version of a BOB - tent, cooking utensils, water, food - and get you away from the unprepared, rioting, killing, looting masses.

    Urban preppers have it the worst, but with a multi-stage plan that has been tested and walked, there is no reason they can't have good survivability.
     
  12. therewolf

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    Thank you, Greg, another dose of reality.

    The administration wants everyone afoot, so much the easier

    to herd everyone to "emergency shelter areas".

    Mr. Yuppie survivalist-prepper wannabe is going to be

    thrown in with a bunch of his own ilk, who will also be

    thrown into a massive population of woefully unprepared

    folks who pissed their money away on 500$ sneakers,

    widescreen HDs, and video games. Needless to say, these

    unprepared folks will feel "entitled" to the yuppies gear...
     
  13. PanBaccha

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    I would never 'bug out.' Once there then what ... sit? I would sooner stay put. In a home that is more than a home to me. It is a friend.
    I say this because in my life I had been homeless three times. Now I am at a point where I look back and shake my head disbelievingly.
    I would never bug out. I would rather, like a captain of a ship, go down with his ship ... my sweet, sweet home. :)
     
  14. locutus

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    Here in Wyoming, we're just gonna blow up all the off ramps right at the border and stay home.:D
     
  15. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    So, what, I should get rid of my $8000 miracle tent? Oh well. TekGreg, good idea on the disguises. Even if you don't leave, you may find it necessary to travel now and then. That'd be helpful.....

    locutus, don't forget the on ramps, too. Only traffic laws prevent us from using them backwards. (And, sometimes not even then, LOL)
     
  16. rocshaman

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    I'm going 30 miles south to our farm, fresh water, good fishing, deer and other game and a couple of houses we own there. Ain't going no farther than that. It's an advantage to "really" know the lay of the land you're bugging out to. It's not the mountains but it is rugged, hilly country and I know everyone around there. If and when the SHTF the authorities are going to have to focus on the cities since that is where the vast majority of the people are at. My philosophy is out of sight, out of mind, lay low and hope for the best.
     
  17. MattShlock

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    A man w/a plan! Good for you. And it can't hurt your well being in any way.
     
  18. MattShlock

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    I almost thought you were gonna leave out the para-cord. You DID leave out the tactical flashlight...
     
  19. MattShlock

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    Dog feces eh. Where did you come up with such armchair ingenuity? This how u r escaping Cincinnati?! Lemme guess -- you can fit in everywhere on foot with your gun-filled urban-camo ALICE, unseen, almost jedi ninja like...

    I agree one doesn't want to stick out. You're not the droid they're looking for so you go first -- I insist. Don't worry, the rest of us are behind you!

    :rolleyes:i
     
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  20. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    kind of sounds like pretty clever thinking to me. a guy that looks like a homeless bum, would probably get much less attention than a guy looking like he was heading out on camping trip into the mountains.