should unmanned drones be used by law enforcement

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by downsouth, Dec 13, 2011.

  1. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

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    Reading Drudge this morning and see a story about this. Just another tool or an invasion of privacy.
     
  2. Sonic82

    Sonic82 New Member

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    Coincidence you bring this up...the Minneapolis newspaper had an article yesterday about North Dakota useing unmanned drones to spot cattle rustlers....I had no idea that cattle rustleing was still going on, especially to that degree. .
     

  3. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    In certain circumstances like the rustling, maybe a fugitive on the run, that would be okay. But the truth of it is, it will get out of hand, and us, the taxpayers, would eventually be paying someone to spy on the local populace 24/7. Those things aren't cheap, nor is their fuel, or the training required to operate one.

    Besides that, the hottie across the fence should be able to continue her nude sunbathing without her privacy being invaded.
     
  4. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    Law enforcement drone? Martial law rising in the horizon. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a ..... :eek:
     
  5. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    The only difference between using a drone or a helicopter or an airplane is how much fuel you're burning each hour.
     
  6. trip286

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    Which is what would make it possible to fly drones and do surveillance 24/7. And of course if it were used under the same pretenses that are used to call out the choppers, then it could save the municipalities millions. I just don't think it would happen that way, I think within a matter of weeks the on tap surveillance would be abused.
     
  7. gunnut07

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    I am all for it. You can keep it up longer than one person can fly. Just switch out pilots and bang fresh guy on the stick.

    Think about this. You have a high speed chase heding towards a school zone as children are being let out. Your police back off the guy slows down and you are quietly following him with a drone with GPS so you know where the guy is going. Once he stops you circle the drove that from the ground looks like a big bird.

    Then out of nowhere knock knock knock CLINK CLINK slam perp arrested.

    I guy carjacks someone again follow with drone and wait for live officers to show up. Fast easy and much safer.

    At night you equip it with FLIR and night vision. Perp runs into the woods you can then use the drone to direct officers with a DOG to the perp and arrest him with little to no effort. I think they would have a big measure to officer and civilian safety by using them.

    There is no difference than using a camera to video tape drug deals or take pictures of a prostitute lookin for johns.

    Anything even a car and OMG their GUN can be used for wrong.

    Can cops abuse a car? Sure they can, can they abuse a knight stick sure they can, can they abuse a gun sure they can.

    What was it that reporter asked the guy at a military training prep school.

    You are equiping these boys to be killers.

    He then replied your equipped to be a hooker so what?

    Same thing

    Point to one thing that a cop can't abuse if they wanted to. I think some of you need to loosen the damn tinfoil it is stopping the blood flow to what little gray matter you have left.
     
  8. trip286

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    Ha ha, I remember that story. I heard it was a Marine general who was allowing boy scouts to come shoot on his base rifle range.

    But by the way, I've never seen a done in the air, their coloration and altitude makes them extremely hard to spot. You can hear them clearly though, they sound like a large pissed off mosquito. Assuming we are taking about the dragon eye.
     
  9. downsouth

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    Gunnut07, you stated your case very well until the last paragragh. Speeking for myself your logic being, "what a cop can't abuse if he want to", is like finger nails screeching down the calkboard of rational thought. Where would it stop for you, chips put into the citizenry? Hold on my tinfoil hat is in the way.

    There are already court rulings about cops coming onto private property to put gps units on vehicles. No knock warrents, of which they get the wrong address. Taking camera phones from people on their own property, and not the subject of enforcement. Vans that can roll down a street and electronically look into homes. Homeland securuity order 450 units this year. On and on. One of the best tools for le I'm holding in my hand writting this post. Thing is I carry it of my own free will.

    Law enforcement has a very tough job and I thank everyone of them. But the checks and balances of our Republic are there for reasons. I contend that if we turn a blind eye to our rights as responsible citizens it will in turn, lead us to tyranny.
     
  10. gunnut07

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    Everything in the position of ANY person can be abused to spy on anyone.

    Look up wifi Pineapple. That right there is the one reason I NEVER EVER access the internet from a free wifi signal in a coffee shop or any other public place.

    To keep a tool out of the hands of LEO's because the tinfoil hat crowed think that the government is going to suck their thought out from 20,000 ft is STUPID.

    LEO's have a hard job. Using an unmanned drone to patrol 24/7 is not a good idea. But, being able to track suspects at a safe distance and then apprehend them when the threat to hard of innocents and officers is low is as a good of use as any I can think of. Better than allowing our enemy to have unfettered access to one.

    Look any LEO can abuse anything they have access to. As can the government. I just don't get all the tinfoil hat talk about 24/7 spying on you and others. You are not that important to them. No matter how much you think you are.
     
  11. MidnightExpress

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    It's just another tool, like all the other tools they presently have that could be use to invade our privacy. If it's cheaper to put one in the air than to put a manned aircraft up there, then let them use it.

    trip, the report I read mentioned the Predator B/MQ-9 Reaper being used in a cattle rustling case and several other police operations. This one is much larger than the 5-lb Dragon Eye.
     
  12. orangello

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    Not suggesting anything to anyone who might be building a foil-covered bunker at this moment, but what would the penalty be for a little drone target practice, assuming the target were to be completely obliterated leaving little to no evidence of its destruction or assailant?

    I'll never forget the first time the Memphis PD knocked on the door asking me to bring in the Rotty so they could check the back yard for "somebody who escaped custody". That was the brightest spotlight i have EVAR seen up on that ghetto vulture; i bet you could simultaneously blind a deer and tan its hide with that light. At least the little drone with the FLIR and such would be quieter and less intrusive, much like the little search spiders on that Minority Report movie that quietly checked your retinal scan in the pursuit of "justice".
     
  13. trip286

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    The ones we used overseas were streaming video and automatically going to a hard drive.

    It would be tough to not show up in the video, as you can't possibly know which way the cameras are pointing. There are usually more than one to a bird (in my experience) and they pan constantly by the operators controls. So there may be at least two operators working the cameras, and if one happens to see you point a gun in that direction, he's probably going to be watching with that fancy little zoom button pressed. If they know a general location, and have your face, you might still get away with it, but it might not be worth the risk as I'm sure the penalty will be steep.
     
  14. orangello

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    ^^^ Go full turkey-hunting cam with a veil & all. OK, so somebody at a remote location may have "mistaken" our drone for a Canadian Goose (legit excuse aroun Horn Lake area, stupid geese). I wonder how long for a unit to show up on that call.
     
  15. downsouth

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    There would be a case made if one was downed on the opening day of dove season. All manner of flying things seem to catch lead poisoning on that particular day. Kildeer,grackles etc.
     
  16. orangello

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    Vice-presidential guests...
    :p
     
  17. bkt

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    Context matters. If a drone is sent up in a certain area at a certain time to look in a limited area, it's the same as sending up cops in a helicopter. No harm, no foul. But if they're flying 24/7 and they're everywhere watching us, that's a problem, IMO.

    I also have a big problem with street and highway cameras.
     
  18. Chainfire

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    I suspect firing on an aircraft of any description would get you a prison sentence of about forever. The chance of you ever seeing one to shoot at is about none. If you saw one, you probably don't have anything that could reach out and touch it.

    Just forget about any expectation of privacy when outside. No more whoopy by the pool, unless you want to entertain the troops. But don't let it bother you, satellites have had that capability for decades. The only difference with the drones is that can putt a Hellfire up you fanny if you are acting out.

    Best thing to do is keep legal and don't piss off the powers that be.
     
  19. rjd3282

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    God forbid we should piss off the powers that be. :mad:
     
  20. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    For the sake of bored AF drone operators nude sunbathing hotties should not be entitled to privacy.