Should I be worried about an alloy framed 1911?

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by DarinCraft, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    Ok I decided on my plan. I'm gonna convert my Custom II to 460 and buy a 4" Kimber. So you all ready for more questions?

    1. Most of the 4" have alloy frames. I am pretty leery of an aluminum frame, should I be?

    2. I can't decide between these three.
    Pro Carry II black steel slide/alloy frame
    Pro Carry II SS slide/alloy frame
    Pro Carry HD II all SS

    They range from $728-$928, but what I can't figure out is why the all stainless HD II is cheaper than Pro Carry II that has an alloy frame?
     
  2. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    I know John Moses Browning would've used alloy if it had been as good as it is today. (He told me so.)

    Unless you are going to run 1,000's of rounds a month or feed it a steady diet of Buffalo Bore +P+ ammo you have nothing to worry about.

    I have several thousand rounds through Canebrake and the feed ramp isn't even broke in yet! Of course it is a Colt, not a Kimber. :p

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    There's only one Kimber I'd consider for EDC:

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    But not until I get my NH-T3

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  3. parinoid54

    parinoid54 New Member

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    Whoa! From what I have read about the 460 Rowland from Clark Custom, an alloy frame is a big NO - NO! They already have issues with steel framed 1911's that are not properly heat treated/forged (like Taurus). You are perhaps inviting a very short life for your gun with an alloy frame.
     
  4. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    Cane honest question. What's the difference between a Kimber pro carry II and a comparable colt? The reason I lean toward Kimber is the gun is "match grade" with a good trigger, extended safety and beavertail safety which to someone with no gunsmithing abilities that is a huge plus. Additionally if you could buy a 4" and the SS frame was the same price as the alloy, would you still buy the alloy?
     
  5. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    I think you missed my question. My custom II is getting converted. The alloy frame is going to be my next purchase.
     
  6. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    First Canebrake is my 45 EDC and it started life as a Defender 3";

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    ^ Then

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    ^ & Now

    Fenrir (460) is my SS XSE 5" Government
     
  7. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    Cane^^^^^^^:p
     
  8. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Street price is about the same. I'm biased so the Colt is a no brainer. Plus the Kimber has a sh!t-load more MIM parts. And what exactly is "match grade"? My Remington 1911R1 has a [* snot bubble *] "match grade" barrel and when I compare it to my XSE's, I'll take the Colt barrel every time. Only the Colt Gold Cups have "match grade" barrels.

    Every time, why carry the extra weight?

    If I were to buy a 4.25" Commander today it would be the Colt XSE Lightweight Commander Model O4860XSE.

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    I'd slap on a Wilson Combat, Beavertail Grip Safety, Drop-In, Commander, Stainless, $37.95

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    Beavertail Grip Safety | Drop-In | Commander | Stainless-Wilson Combat

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    A Smith and Alexander GMAS - Gov't Model Arched Stainless Mag-Guide/MSH, $78.95

    Smith & Alexander - "The Mag-Guide People"

    And order up a six-pac of Tripp Research Gen II Cobra Mags.

    Tripp Research Inc. 1911 Magazines
     
  9. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    Lol...Cane, that's why I put "" around match grade cause I know it ain't real match grade. What is MIM?
     
  10. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    The start....
     

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  11. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    Yeah it seems there is no answer for the colt vs. Kimber fight. Same price same quality from what I can see. The only reason I am partial to the Kimber is I own one and the only reason I own it is it was a smoking deal. Now that I own one I love it, and I know if I got another one I'd love it too, but I can't say that for a colt.
     
  12. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Cane likes his Colts. You are never going to get him to recommend something other than a Colt, it's who he is and we all love him for that misguided belief. :rolleyes:

    Dr. Jason, Scubie and I were in the Colt booth at SHOT last week checking out their 1911 line and "impressed" would not be the word that leapt to mind. Sorry. But it's the truth. The same can be said of several "good" 1911 makers who have a reputation in this market. Frame to slide tolerances were poor, tension on manual safeties where crap and the only triggers we found worth a damn at the whole show ( having test/dry fired about 100 models ) didn't come from "production" houses.

    I had one alloy frame, steel slide pistol. It was one of the first handguns I ever "owned" even though it was actually my dad's and he "gifted" it to me when my parents divorced.

    It was one of the original Beretta 92-F models in 9mm. I must have shot 15,000 rounds, maybe more, through it. Anytime I could get money for ammo, I would be at the range with it. I wanted to be as good as Martin Riggs in Lethal Weapon. Shooting smiley faces at 25 yards and stuff.

    Over time I noticed a real wear on the frame from the slide. Not just the wearing of the bluing, but actual real wear on the running rails that the slide was rubbing against. I got a bit concerned, because I noticed that the wear seemed uneven to the naked eye.

    I took it to a friend who was a machinist and he confirmed it by using a mic. The steel slide, rubbing back and forth, was causing uneven wear on the aluminum frame from normal shooting.

    From that point forward I haven't trusted wear and tear on dissimilar metals. Period.

    Now I don't know your size, but if you have been packing around a full sized steel 1911, getting a 4" or 4.25" for a carry weapon is NOT going to crimp your style if you get a good, quality leather rig and get it fit to YOU.

    If it's a shoulder rig, have it professionally adjusted, don't just slap the thing on and wear it all cockeyed like every mook in every TV cop show.

    If you get a belt rig, get a good belt first that can handle the weight, and get a holster that is comfortable and will keep the weapon in place.

    If you want a lightweight carry gun and you want an aluminum framed weapon, more power to you. But seriously take a look at them and shoot them first.

    A good range visit with rental guns will tell you a lot. ;)

    JD
     
  13. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    I'm 601/240.;) and carrying a full sized 1911 is no big deal. I just want another and my wife would have a hard time understanding me getting two of the same thing. So I thought. Hey why not a 4" :D
     
  14. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    ouch!!!!!!!!
     

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  15. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    c'mon now brother. You know I luv ya!

    Colt had there day in the sun. It just hasn't been recently.

    Except their 100 anniversary addition that was on display in their booth. That was very well done and professionally presented.
     
  16. DarinCraft

    DarinCraft New Member

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    Well I've made up my mind for the most part. I am just quizzing myself if having a Stainless over a steel gun is worth the extra $120.
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  17. NGIB

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    Well, the Colt vs Kimber argument is still unsettled I guess. Personally, I'm a fan of Springer as they do not have firing pin blocks and every one I've had has been a good gun. I have one alloy frame 1911 and it's a Loaded Champion - and I don't worry about it. No, I don't put a huge amount of rounds through it as that's what my steel 5 inchers are for...

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  18. Jay

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    I've got Colts, and I've got pre series II Kimbers, steel frames, and aluminum frames. I've not noticed any appreciable metal frame wear with the alum frames, but the finish does seem to be a bit more fragile. As with most any handgun, the steel frames do tend to reduce perceived recoil when compared to alum frames. I'm not a fan of the extra safeties in the Series II Kimbers, and series 80 Colts.

    I do like the fact that we all have a choice....
     
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  19. parinoid54

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  20. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    If you want it for a carry piece go with an aluminum frame. You've got your full sized for heavy range use and if you get a pro carry like they one I've got I doubt you'll see any wear that will concern you. I've put thousands thru mine with nothing that concerns me.
    I should also mention I'm building a steel gun for heavier range use.