SHORTAGES: Offical Responces from Ammo Manufactures

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by Gloves, Mar 25, 2013.

  1. Gloves

    Gloves New Member

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    Sent out some inquires to a few manufactures to try to figure some of these issues out.

    • Why have prices doubled-tripled-quadrupled?
    • If it's purely a supply / demand, who are the demanders? or is it regulations?
    • How long do we see this ammo crisis going on?

    From PMC

    From Hornady


    From CCI


    From Blazer

    From TULAMMO

    I sent the requests last night, these 2 were quick to respond this morning. There may be more replies in the coming days.
     
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2013
  2. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    Ammo shortage ... has anyone taken into consideration why that might be; or what might largely be the cause of the shortage (besides worried consumers) when they figure into their calculations the DHS buying 1.6 Billion ammo, and another order for 21.6 million, now totaling over 2 billion at last estimation. I mean, are we kidding ourselves? Do we not see the elephant in the living room?
     

  3. towboater

    towboater Active Member

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    I've seen it for quite sometime. Some wont see it until its too late.
     
  4. tCan

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    Well since the answer is "we can't make them fast enough" and not "we can't get the material to make them", AND since I've heard the us government buys from government only manufactures, I think the 1.6B thing isn't too important. Concerning? Yes. Economically important? No.
     
  5. rocshaman

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    The government is only buying certain types of ammo too, such as 40 cal etc. That wouldn't explain the 22lr shortage and just about any other type of ammo as well.
     
  6. beretta9988

    beretta9988 New Member

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    The people buying up all the ammo and then selling at inflated prices in the problem. There is plenty of ammo out there to buy If you want to spend $1 a round.

    Go to gun broker and look at the 9mm 100 round packs that usually sell at Walmart for $20. They are all on gunbroker for triple the price.
     
  7. sputnik1988

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    The DHS ain't using 22 shorts, longs or long rifle, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, steel cased 223 or any other steel cased ammo for that matter.

    Yet it is unavailable... The problem isn't the fed, it's the civilian market. Hoarding and people buying it up to gouge

    Seems to me people need to take responsibility for their actions...

    It isn't going to stop until WE do.
     
  8. rocshaman

    rocshaman New Member

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    Couldn't agree more...
     
  9. Gloves

    Gloves New Member

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    CCI just came in

    Sounds a little like a canned answer. That's alright tho.
     
  10. tCan

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    Please be quiet. I don't mean to be rude, but it's gotten to the point where I'm ready to curse people out. OF COURSE ammo is available. It's still being manufactured isn't it? Demand is through the roof and thus the higher price. This is a GOOD thing. The high prices stifles those that don't need the ammo right away from buying, leaving it available for those who need it most. Such as the thousands if not millions of new gun owners who now need ammo. Be glad to have them on your side.

    Go shoot your shotgun or something... That's what I'm doing.
     
  11. tCan

    tCan Active Member

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    Just sick of people complaining about non-existent price gouging.
     
  12. indy36

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    Non-existent price gouging? What are you talking about? There IS price gouging going on. The LGS is marking up what ever they get by 80%. Why? Because they can, and they know it. That's gouging. Their cost has not increased. CCI isn't charging them $20 for a single 100 round box. The store's cost is relatively flat. The stores, local and online, are increasing the cost nearly double (sometimes more) on purpose simply to make more to help cover their lost profits from not being able to sell more at a lesser cost because they can't get more. The consumer has 2 choices. Get reamed with no lube or go without. If the manufacturers were charging more because they couldn't get bullet making ingredients then fine, that's not gouging, but I've yet to see one article saying that was the case, thus, the stores are the only ones marking it up and that friends, is gouging. And need I remind you that every response from a manufacturer has stated round-the-clock production and increased efficiency and expansions to the production lines and investment in equipment and machines. That investment means production cost should be driven down as the plant's efficiency is maximized. So, again, if the plant can produce more than before for less than before then the product on the shelf should not cost triple. That's gouging.
     
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  13. beretta9988

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    What you wrote makes no sense at all. How is people buying and reselling ammo at 3x the cost a GOOD thing?

    So you are ok with it costing someone $60 to shoot 50 rounds.

    Non-existent price gouging? Are you kidding me.

    There is more ammunition being auctioned for insane prices.
     
  14. versatile

    versatile New Member

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    i just got 500 rounds of 357 sig for $150. Seems like you just have to look around. try armslist.
     
  15. TruggieTex

    TruggieTex New Member

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    Regardless of impetus, this ammo situation should be a wake up call...

    I don't go to the range like I used to since the shortage, hoarding, gouging, gov. purchase...our society has far more potential shortage scenarios always just over the horizon.

    Pork, paper products, propane, fuel, wood building materials, and generators (to name a few) have all survived minor disruptions caused by the above...
    No, this is different. Market hasn't or can't correct. Suppliers have been reluctant or prevented from accommodating demand. "Event" leads to production delay, delay leads to shortage, shortage causes hoarding, market corrects event. Not in this case.
     
  16. indy36

    indy36 New Member

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    This time there is an external force at work, our government. The laws of reason and predictability have gone out the window.
     
  17. GaryGlock

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    Can you say sleeper cell commy? I think so.
     
  18. tCan

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    So you're telling me no one sold ammo on gun broker before the panic? Yeah, I'll believe that when pigs fly.

    People don't bid on 3x priced items unless they can't get it elsewhere. And it's a pretty well established economic law that if someone is "gouging", someone else is undercutting them and the customers flock to that seller. So the fact that ammo is selling at the elevated prices pretty well disproves your theory.

    I'm not sure that's true, but lets say it is. Look at it from the store owners perspective. He's normally able to get ammo and sells it at a pretty regular rate, therefore making enough money off many boxes of ammo to cover his costs.

    During the panic, he just simply cant get ammo, but still must make enough money off of each box to run his store. So now he has to make the same amount of money off of fewer boxes of ammo. The price is going to go up. Fact. Gouging does not exist. It's a made up term coined by angry consumers who take the efforts of running a business for granted.
     
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  19. CA357

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    I paid $39. each for two 50rd. boxes of American Eagle 230gr. FMJ three days ago. They had two boxes of PMC 230gr. FMJ left for $26. and I bought those too.
     
  20. unit24

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    I never thought I would see the day when a fifty count box of 9mm is going as high as a box of 45acp . At a gun show Saturday 29 to 30 dollars a box for either,,,, I refuse to pay it !!!! I think this is all going to break loose by mid may... As for the guns who knows the idiot Bloomberg is on the high horse again and now spending his own money to achieve gun control,,, well you know what they say a fool and his money are soon parted.....