Shorestroke gaspiston AR-15

Discussion in 'Gunsmithing Forum' started by The Swede, Mar 27, 2009.

  1. The Swede

    The Swede New Member

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    would it be possible to improve the reliability of an AR-15, by fabricating and installing a short stroke gas piston system, like the gassystem of a dragunov"SVD"?
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Swede - They are already performing this type of operation on a lot of the new AR models out there. Check out the H&K 416/417 as a leading example at the moment. Both are piston driven, and the piston is sealed to eliminate the gas tube "clogging" & the chamber "fouling" of Eugene Stoner's Design...

    So, in answer top your question, yes. It's possible and it is in common practice on several new models. But, they are expensive as all hell here in the states and we can't even get access to the H&K stuff - but perhaps you could sell your right arm, buy one and give us all a range report? :D

    JD
     

  3. The Swede

    The Swede New Member

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    oh crap...THEY STOLE MY IDEA! I thought out this like 5 years ago, but forgot it.. well well. At least it would have worked.
     
  4. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Yeah, they sure did bro. And they have been making a killing with it, both in the pocketbook and on the battlefield...

    Sorry you got beat to the punch....:eek:

    JD
     
  5. The Swede

    The Swede New Member

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    Well it is no big deal. At least it brought joy someone.
     
  6. sadsack

    sadsack New Member

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    Eugene Stoner designed a gas piston system to replace the M-16 gas tube and DOD rejected the system because of the expense of converting all the M-16's in inventory. That was about 35 or 40 years ago.
     
  7. RL357Mag

    RL357Mag New Member

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    An article I read recently stated that gas piston systems negatively affect accuracy. They induce vibration that doesn't exist with the gas tube direct impingment system. After shooting gas piston guns I tend to agree that this is a possibility, and would be a detriment to bench rest or competition shooters. On the battle field however, it would be a plus, since carbon fouling is not a concern on the AR-15 semi-auto rifle, but IS a concern in the M-4 or M-16 cycling hundreds of rounds a minute.
     
  8. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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    Short stroke piston kits

    Ive seen one kit for shure to convert your own upper, advertised for $265
    too bad the AR vents into the action, Ive had a MAS49/56 for a few years its a direct impingement weapon the gas on these are vented into a pocket on fwd top the bolt outside the action (no condensation problems like the AR's) ther kinda cool guns in a way.