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In the latest issue of Shooting Times they compared a Browning X bolt, CZ American, Remington 700 BDL, Ruger 77, Savage 114, and a Winchester Model 70. All rifles between $600-$1100.

All blue barrels and walnut stocks, all with a Bushnell Elite 6500 scope in Leupold QR rings. All in .270 Win. with Remington Core Lokt, Federal Trophy Bonded Tips, and Hornady Superformance ammo.

Tested them on function, accuracy, ergonomics, trigger pull, and appearance.

Best accuracy was the Savage with the Federal Trophy Bonded Tips. Second was the model 70. Last was the 700 BDL.

The Browning X Bolt had the best trigger.

The Winchester had the best stock for comfort, shoot ability, and looks.

CZ, Savage and Ruger all experienced various function issues.

Overall winner? Winchester Model 70. "Functioned with boring predictability."

I thought it was interesting. The old Core-Lokt ammo was the most consistent throughout, the 700 was least accurate, and the 75 year old Model 70 stole the show.
 

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Good for the Model 70. I've been a little worried about Winchester and the Model 70 for awhile now. Good to know they are still putting out a solid rifle. :)
 

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Model70 said:
In the latest issue of Shooting Times they compared a Browning X bolt, CZ American, Remington 700 BDL, Ruger 77, Savage 114, and a Winchester Model 70. All rifles between $600-$1100.

All blue barrels and walnut stocks, all with a Bushnell Elite 6500 scope in Leupold QR rings. All in .270 Win. with Remington Core Lokt, Federal Trophy Bonded Tips, and Hornady Superformance ammo.

Tested them on function, accuracy, ergonomics, trigger pull, and appearance.

Best accuracy was the Savage with the Federal Trophy Bonded Tips. Second was the model 70. Last was the 700 BDL.

The Browning X Bolt had the best trigger.

The Winchester had the best stock for comfort, shoot ability, and looks.

CZ, Savage and Ruger all experienced various function issues.

Overall winner? Winchester Model 70. "Functioned with boring predictability."

I thought it was interesting. The old Core-Lokt ammo was the most consistent throughout, the 700 was least accurate, and the 75 year old Model 70 stole the show.
Well ol pal its me mulie new sneaky code name, did you not already know the model 70, ahh the holy grail of american pride the riflemans rifle would not be number 1.
 

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I read part if it. Decided it wasn't worth comparing 2 good rifles I love my model 70 and eventually want a 700.. so what's to discuss???
 

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Thought for a gun forum there'd have been more discussion...
wasnt any need for me. pretty much anyone that knows rifles, knows the M70 is one fine rifle. most of those tests are subjective anyways. the M700, least accurate? not hardly! best trigger? these tests are not objective as lots of times, they only use one type of ammo, or a very small assortment. best trigger, would really be a subjective test. what one person likes, compared to what someone else likes. i don't buy rifles based on gun magazine comparisons, i prefer reviews from people who actually have owned or do own and shoot them.
 

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To bad they did not also test a tikka rifle and the savage with a internal mag. no mag from some tester to screw up. Be bad I guess for a cheap rifle or euro rifle to win. OH I allmost forgot winchester profits goes to a Belgian owned company.
 

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To bad they did not also test a tikka rifle and the savage with a internal mag. no mag from some tester to screw up. Be bad I guess for a cheap rifle or euro rifle to win. OH I allmost forgot winchester profits goes to a Belgian owned company.
If they're good enough to make firearms for the US military, they're good enough for this cowboy. 8)
 

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If they're good enough to make firearms for the US military, they're good enough for this cowboy. 8)
if i remember correctly Remington makes the M700 action that many different branches of service use for sniper rifles as do many different government agencies and the Army and Marine Corps both have used the M700 for their sniper rifle platform for over 40 years.
 

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model 70 Guess you mean back when winchester was really winchester not fnh or made by browning for fnh as a couple years ago. And the browning yet another fnh company was so middle pack in this test. They still cold have done a real 18 rifle test or atleast as many as could be acquired. But only one from each. When we pick or order a rifle we done take 3 to try. At least I don't. So many lower cost rifes shoot sooo well along with rifles from other companies not tested.

Just another rag mag gun review. Atleast thats my view of shooting times and many other gun rags in general.
 

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model 70 Guess you mean back when winchester was really winchester not fnh or made by browning for fnh as a couple years ago. And the browning yet another fnh company was so middle pack in this test. They still cold have done a real 18 rifle test or atleast as many as could be acquired. But only one from each. When we pick or order a rifle we done take 3 to try. At least I don't. So many lower cost rifes shoot sooo well along with rifles from other companies not tested.

Just another rag mag gun review. Atleast thats my view of shooting times and many other gun rags in general.
"Built Right, Built in the USA
The All-American Model 70s are built by American craftsmen in Columbia, South Carolina, at the same state-of-the-art factory as the rifles and machine guns used by America’s Armed Forces to defend freedom around the world. They are made to the exact ISO 9001 standard of quality that Uncle Sam insists upon for military firearms."

Taken right from the website.

http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/category.asp?family=001C

hardluk1, axxe55, you'd do better to read those "gun rags," as you so eloquently put it, than the bogus info running so rampant here. You should read the whole article before flying off the handle. You're making yourselves look silly.
 

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"Built Right, Built in the USA
The All-American Model 70s are built by American craftsmen in Columbia, South Carolina, at the same state-of-the-art factory as the rifles and machine guns used by America’s Armed Forces to defend freedom around the world. They are made to the exact ISO 9001 standard of quality that Uncle Sam insists upon for military firearms."

Taken right from the website.

http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/category.asp?family=001C

hardluk1, axxe55, you'd do better to read those "gun rags," as you so eloquently put it, than the bogus info running so rampant here. You should read the whole article before flying off the handle. You're making yourselves look silly.
Mod70, we have had this debate before on differences on bolt action rifles. nothing wrong with the Winchester M70 rifle and i have one, i also have several Remington M700's and several Marlin X7's and an older Ruger M77. all of them shoot very accurately and all of them function perfectly. but i don't tend to put much stock in gun magazine articles reviews, as most of them are pretty well biased by their advertisers.

and what "bogus" information are you refering to? so far i haven't seen a lot of bogus information on this forum. and if you feel that this forum is so rife with bogus information, maybe you need to find a better forum.:rolleyes:

and it seems you have more than once made yourself look silly with some of your own comments in the past.
 

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What I'm suggesting is you read the whole article rather than pick apart my very abbreviated account of it.

I was hoping someone else on here had read it and wanted to discuss it further. Unfortunately, it's just picked apart by everyone who's favorite didn't win and has hurt feelers. :eek:
 

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and what "bogus" information are you refering to? so far i haven't seen a lot of bogus information on this forum. and if you feel that this forum is so rife with bogus information, maybe you need to find a better forum.
Look at you and that other guy who's name I forgot's post. Neither of you knew FN built weapons for the US Army. Winchester rifles have been owned by the Hestal Group since 1990, that's back when they were built by US Repeating Arms Company. Hestal owns Browning, who has the license on the Winchester name, and FN. Just like the Freedom Group owns Remington, Marlin, and Barnes Bullets.

And why wouldn't I trust gun writers over you people? I can look back at all their work and judge for myself instead of repeating what randomguyontheinternet57 says about it. Let's see, Craig Boddington on thirteenyearoldtroll43?
Jack O'Conner or gecko45? At least they verify their info instead of regurgitating it.
 

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What I'm suggesting is you read the whole article rather than pick apart my very abbreviated account of it.

I was hoping someone else on here had read it and wanted to discuss it further. Unfortunately, it's just picked apart by everyone who's favorite didn't win and has hurt feelers. :eek:
can't access it online, must be in the print version. maybe you should have listed a link the article. i wasn't picking apart your account, just stating my opinion.

don't worry my feelings aren't hurt. i have no particular favorites in bolt action rifles. i just find most test reviews to be subjective or biased by the writer of the article. every person and every rifle is different. so what pleases one person may not be pleasing to another person. sounds to me, more like your feelings got hurt.:rolleyes:
 
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