Shooting on your back (with video)

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by kcolg, May 16, 2009.

  1. kcolg

    kcolg New Member

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    When I practice defensive driils I often lay down on my back cause I think it's a good way to make your self a smaller target and good way to get a liitle bit out of the line of fire in an event of a close counter situation if there is no much space to move anywhere
    I've been criticized sometimes for doing this for two reasons:
    Some think it's dangerous cause I can shooy my legs( I practiced this drill dry firing before shooting of course,I love my legs...) and others critic that I can't move by laying on the floor: I posted a liitle video,I'll appreciate everybody's opinion on this matter...thanks


    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0nRn1qMAX8]YouTube - Close quarters shooting[/ame]
     
  2. Lowrider

    Lowrider New Member

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    I don't know about shooting on your back, but I've done shoting on my back. Usually Tequila.
     

  3. kcolg

    kcolg New Member

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    Well ,I would rather shoot tequila on my mouth ,not on my back...:D
     
  4. SGT-MILLER

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    Very good video. Can you make another one with some step by step? People don't practice this enough. It's imperative that people know how to defend from any position.

    I would do it, but the space in my house is limited. I may still give it a try, but I think if you do it outdoors, like in your other videos, the lighting will be better.
     
  5. kcolg

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    Thank you sergeant, I had this clip and didn't remeber ,next time I go to this place I'll take a camera...I'll like to know your opinion on the technique of laying on the floor ,do you think it's good or useless?
     
  6. SGT-MILLER

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    It is very useful. One of the most important things to practice is fighting from the ground. There is always a good chance you may end up on the ground.

    Imagine trying to step backwards while you are drawing your weapon, then you trip and fall. You must be able to still effectively engage the threat with your weapon, otherwise the bad guy may end up winning the fight, and you end up taking a permanent residence 6 feet under.

    Good video, and very useful.
     
  7. kcolg

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    Is exactly what I think: Not only you might want to do it on purpose to get your self away from the BG muzzle and become a smaller target but the tripping part is also very possible in self defense situation...on my next trip to USA I should visit you and we make some videos together...:D
     
  8. Jay

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    ........on your back is one of the few positions from which you can cover an assailant at any point of the compass without attempting to regain your feet, and possibly allowing the agresor to ramp up his attack or flee while you're getting up.......

    ..... and if you practice dragging your toes while backing up, your chances of tripping are greatly reduced...



    just my two cents
     
    Last edited: May 17, 2009
  9. kcolg

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    Thanks Jay ,I appreciate your input.
     
  10. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I'll stick with shooting from the tradition prone position, just because I can shoot and move faster that way. It only takes 2 movements to go from being proned out, to a dead sprint. It takes a few more to recover from your back.

    I also have years of muscle memory built from shooting rifles from the prone position.

    I'll take a look at it though, as both you and Jay do bring up some interesting points about effective fields of fire.
     
  11. SGT-MILLER

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    I don't like shooting from the back either. Prone is much better if you are in a situation where you can dictate your position.

    Practicing shooting on your back is just good in case you accidentally end up there (i.e. tripping) or if you do not have enough time to get to your feet (i.e. in the middle of the night, in bed, with your gun in hand, but the intruder is already at your bedroom due to whatever reason murphy's law can conjure up).

    If you can swing it, prone is the best "on the dirt" position.
     
  12. kcolg

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    Good input from everybody...my afterthought after reading them is that maybe the way I do it on the video could be usefull if you are in a place where you can't backup much or move to the sides and the bad guy charges towards you ,either with a gun or a knife...I hate knifes at close range...
     
  13. Jay

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    yep, prone would be preferred, but I practice from my back too. Two-handed grip is better, but I practice one-handed ... just in case...;)


    ...just an old guy's opinion....
     
  14. mike309d

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    real life example

    Here's a video of a Saudi police officer shooting on his back to stop the threat.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLRckw3g030]YouTube - the terrorist in the saudi arabia[/ame]
     
  15. kcolg

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    Wow, pretty impresive video...! Gladly enough ,shooting on his back worked for the officer...
     
  16. hydrashok

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    Great video. However, posting a video like that will be grounds for constructive criticism.

    You weren't using a target, but there was an obvious discoloration in the dirt wall you were shooting at. When you were doing your drill, I saw one flyer that went up and to the right of your intended target. The good thing is, you're practicing the drill. It's real important that you get good enough to not let flyers happen. That could be the angle that sends a round through a second-story apartment window and through the skull of an innocent bystander's cat. You would NOT want to go to jail for cat-ricide! :)

    I know I'm making light of it, but you get the point. Shooting on your back is another great tool for your bag...
     
  17. kcolg

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    I know I'm making light of it, but you get the point. Shooting on your back is another great tool for your bag...[/QUOTE]

    Absolutely, one of the reason for posting the video is to get feedback from you guys,I aprecciate your comments
    Very good point about the video:There was a person like figure outlined on the dirt wall that is not visible for the camera, I hit all the shots on the target except for one...
    The flyer...!I noticed it too, I believe it was caused by me starting to get on my back while I do that shot, I have to work on that transition for sure as I go from drawing and "shooting from the hip" one handed, to laying back on the floor and using the sights.
    Just to cut me some slack, I didn't practice the drill before shooting the video that day,it was a first and only take and wanted to leave it like that,as I believe that if this was a real life situation ,I could not ask the B.G. for a retake....:eek:
     
  18. hydrashok

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    I often tell my students, "NEVER get in a mindset and stay there."
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    ...and the same goes for combat shooting. Never get into a fighting position and STAY there!

    Practice transitioning from standing to supine (on your back), then how to quickly and efficiently get out of that position. It could mean rolling to the left or right, "scooting" back by pushing off with your legs, rolling back to land on your feet so you can move, etc.
     
  19. indy_kid

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    My 2 cents...

    I've seen many pix where the shooter, usually a LEO, is behind a wheel (for cover) and shooting at a very awkward angle. Obviously, this takes practice to become proficient (as does anything worthwhile), so it's not worthy of criticism. Have your critics review the video from the LA Shootout and I'm sure you'll see many LEOs on their sides or backs, trying to get the shot.

    The circumstances will determine your options. Sometimes on your back is the only way.

    A little off-topic, but I recall seeing many old drawings of sharpshooters taking very long shots while on their backs, using their legs & feet to steady the muzzle. I'm sure a Google Image search will dredge up many of those pix.
     
  20. kcolg

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    Thanks Kid...did you watch the video Mike309 posted on this thread ?
    Made me feel better about the drill...

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLRckw3g030]YouTube - the terrorist in the saudi arabia[/ame]