So the wife supports me in stocking ammo as much as she can. She just told me she bought a case of the 12 ga ammo in the picture and some .223 varmint loads. I mostly use these 12ga shells for skeet shooting. Other than killing birds and small critters is there any other good use for them in a shtf situation. How will the 12ga and .223 varmint do on a actual person is really what I'm asking. As far as what brand and kind of .223 varmint I dont know. I work off shore and won't be home for another week. So I have not seen them and she is working so I can't talk to her at the moment.