"Self Defense Killing in Florida"

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Chainfire, Mar 21, 2012.

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  1. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I am surprised no one has commented on the 17 year old kid, killed by a neighborhood watch bozo.

    Are you all as ashamed as I am that a CCW holder would chase down and kill a kid who was armed only with a pack of skittles?

    I am fairly familiar with Florida firearms laws and am amazed that the killer was not charged.
     
  2. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    Link to the story? I have no idea what happened, so I cannot really have an opinion about it yet.
     

  3. HAGEN442

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    17 yr old Shooting

    I think a lot of us have several questions on this situation.
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  4. Overkill0084

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    Since I wasn't there I'm going to hold back opinion as to which one of them is the bozo. I've been following it on another forum. The news reports I've seen have been vague at best, and biased at worst. Somehow I suspect "Mommy's Little Angel" might have done something to provoke an armed response. What little I've read about the shooter leads me to believe he isn't a total douche, that too could be useless information of course. Whether it turns out to be justified is yet to be determined. Since it's turned into a national media circus, I suspect that objectivity has been cast aside in the interest of social justice and political correctness.
    Piling on without all the facts isn't going to help.
     
  5. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It appears that the killer pursued the unarmed suspect and shot him down, while the kid was begging for his life. The kid weighed 150 lbs and the killer about 250, so no disparity of force to justify the killing, no imminent danger to the shooter or anyone else, the authorities had told the shooter to remain in his car......
     
  6. orangello

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    I will be interested to hear how this really happened. Scary hoodie or not, i find it hard to believe that the neighborhood watcher would just shoot the kid without any threat/reason.
     
  7. texaswoodworker

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    Yeah, unless they guy was a serious sociopath, I doubt he shot a kid who was begging for his life just for the hell of it. There is definetly more to this story.
     
  8. eoin2899

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    "It appears" like the sun might go down this evening.........MSNBC etc sez he should be hung right away....no need for any investigation.....politicians are doing the "slip slidin away dance".......the guy could be a raving racist but all we see so far is a lot of biased anti gun journalist bull****......they have this thing called the criminal justice system that should sort it all out if given half a chance.
     
  9. kusterleXD

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    We don't have all the facts. We do not know if the kid tried to get the shooter's weapon, if the kid tried to act tough and acted if he were armed, etc. We should not be quick to pass judgement on either person until more facts emerge. One thing is certain: the shooter should have waited for authorities instead of trying to handle the situation on his own but hind sight is 20-20 and foresight isn't always so clear.
     
  10. RED

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    I'm in the area...

    ... visiting relatives. The local concensus is that the shooter should have been arrested immediately. Accxording to an areanews story, he is on tape using racial slurs plus he has a prior arrest where he was charged with severely beating another black guy that weighed about 100lbs less than him.

    If that is true, he needs to be in prison.
     
  11. Misfire

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    I know from first hand experience how the news media works. And I know that what the news media says is probably not what happened. Not saying the guy is innocent. I'm just saying I don't know all the facts, and I'll hold off until I do. Thinking back to the days of frontier justice, its a known fact that more than a few innocent people were hung by lynch mobs based on the "local consensus".
     
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  12. texaswoodworker

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    If thats true, he deserves the rope. You can't really trust the media to give you the actual facts though. Unless they show the video, I would be skeptical of it's existance.
     
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    In Florida you cannot claim self- defense if you are actively pursuing someone. Phone records released yesterday clearly state Zimmerman was following the young man. Sure seems like Zimmerman was the aggressor. I am really curious to see how this plays out. Either way, it's not the kind of publicity any of us want.
     
  14. armed1212

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    I live in south Florida and have been watching the events , I have to say watchman was wrong, the law in fl states you can not go after some one. Stand your ground means Stand where u are, not go looking for trouble. From the start this went bad for the watchman, there was no felony In progress at the time, a mater of moments, not thinking it though now will effect all of us. This kinda stuff is what anti gun people die to get on us, when being a ccw holder our actions speak for our hold group. Gun enthusist come in many differnt races so we're all going to pay for it. Just some food for thought. How ever the case turns out we already stirred the hornets nest.
     
  15. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The Florida Senator who wrote the "stand your ground law" stated that he did not beieve that the "stand your ground" law would apply in the case.

    However, he did say that the senate may have to revisit the law..............
     
  16. StPetePatriot

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    I'm with those who favor investigation before speculation. News report from here in Fla. said the shooter had a bloody nose and abrasion to the back of his head when the cops got there. Hard to believe if it looked like this guy had gunned down the kid for no good reason that they would have let him go home. But one thing's for certain: political hay will be made. Already calls for repealing state's "Stand Your Ground" law.
     
  17. therewolf

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    We all have to remember the journalists will make this

    story sound as sensationally one-sided as possible, in their

    blind attempt to sell soap, dog food, and hard-on pills.

    All the media cares about is it's ratings and market share...
     
  18. Vikingdad

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    Read in the paper today (yes, the print version.) that the boy had his girlfriend on his cell phone during the pursuit. Here's the story I read. http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-w...earch-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com

    The shooter was told by the 911 operator not to pursue. He ignored that advice and went so far as to confront the boy. The boy probably defended himself and that is how the shooter got bloodied up. All speculation at this point but it does not look good for anybody at this point. One boy killed for no apparent legitimate reason, one stupid neighborhood watch CCW holder who took himself way too seriously and his responsibility not seriously enough.

    Anyhow, it is out of the local authorities' hands as it has become a Federal case.
     
  19. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    IF you can believe the media reports the guy should be drawn and quartered. Of course there is always the "rest" of the story that has not ben released. I find it interesting that no recent pics of the dead kid have been posted. All look like he is about 13. I wonder what he looked lke at 17? Thugnasty? or about the same. Maybe momma dd not have a more up to date pic?

    Is it just me or does the shooter look like Chaz Bono?
     
  20. Irishgiant215

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    This guy has called 911 somewhere between 41-46 times since January 2011 to report suspicious behavior. When authorities told him to stop following the boy he responded with something along the lines of, "no these a$$ holes always hey away". I know my info is a bit vague. I read an article earlier and listened to the 911 calls earlier and dont remember specifics. If I can find the article I will post it here.
     
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