Select Fire Weapons

Discussion in 'NFA/Class 3 & FFL Discussion' started by tinbucket, Aug 26, 2014.

  1. tinbucket

    tinbucket Well-Known Member

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    Time and aain it has beeb shown the Liberal/Communist/Socialist arguments that eliminating our Second Amendement Rights will bring safety to our society is false. There aaim is to disarm Citizens so they may be more easily controlled. I don't think any rational person no in their group doesn't understand that now.
    They have creaated special classes of who can own firearms and what type firearms caan be owned by these groups. Full auto or select fire weapons are still legal to own and bear but only to those with the wealth to purchase the outrageously remaining guns imposed by GCA 86. All their Laws and Restrictions are illegals as they infringe drastically on Citizens Second Amendment Right to own an bear weapons, and not just for hunting, or sport.
    What they did in GCA 68 and GCA 86 and others was t follow Nazi era germany pattern of regulations to forbid ownership of certain firearms and the all firearms to the Citizens. The only gola was total diarmenment so they could take the German Nazis and Others to gas chambers safe from resistence. It is no different here they want our guns, and are limiting our second Amendment Rights a littl at a time until all Citizens are forbiddn to own any type of fierearms. Then who knows what Dodd and Others thought/think they will do with us. It appears the new Jews, in America, are Anglos. They are bringing in millions of Mexicaans and Other Latinos to conquer by occupation, register them to vote and make most Americans then a minority to be dealt with. We should begin lobbying our Congressman and Senators to restore our illegally lost Rights, to own a ClassII weapon and all others. They really do fear we will take our Country back. I think
     
  2. DrFootball

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  3. Chainfire

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    Yea, well that, or maybe the majority of Americans just don't believe that cheap, full-auto weapons should flood our streets.
     
  4. MisterMcCool

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    The Jews were victims of the nazis, not the other way round. :confused:
     
  5. anm2_man

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    This not very much different than collecting Mucsle Cars of the 1960's. There are a limited number of these vehicles available, but there are many more buyers. No different than the NFA. More buyers than sellers. In a capitalistic environment, prices rise. Would be no different in the corn crop of the USA suddenly only was able to produce 20% of its maximum due to what ever. Do you understand what the cost of ground meat would be ????????

    Not like food which is required to survive, They ain't making any more 1964 GTO's like they are not making any more Thompson MG's. So if you want one, work hard, save your money and then you can a ford it.
     
  6. tinbucket

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    I'm so glad for you, that you are making a hundred twenty five per year or more and it is all disposable income.
    The avrage for a low quality M16 and some variants ar more is 25,000.00 plus. On about q34 this year, with RV payment, storage, car payments, house payment and 450 a month and more electric and 100.00 and more water bill, several thousands in property tax, loan to pay income taxes, fuel, and food and insurances, wee do well for a noght out at Micey Ds for a powder pine cellulose burger and fries and one of their chemistry set drinks. I had 25,000 to spare it would have to go fro a tractor ,or a bigger all whell drive mower, and a utv and trailer, and maybe 5,000.00 a year to mow this place and five thousand for some paving and 2,000 for some drainage and so on. I had a whopping 80.00 the other day, in my billfold. Amazing how fast a dollar a week mounts up and bought a revolver holster. Probably should have bought some beans. In 2009 we hade something like 684,000.00 and no taxes. The rising economy has been reaaaaaaaly kind to us. I get 15.00 this week I may get my hair cut or buy some hamburger. Makes all those liberals feel safe, I bet, that I don't simply convert one or all my weapons to select fire, because they said I can't. They don't need them since the chief is on speed dial or they have their own paid security services, with full auto uzis in slim brief cases. The only ones unarmed are the poor and honest citizens facing jail if they exercise their Right, if they had any money to do it with.
     
  7. bradam

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    In some parts of the country they already have and they are not being used in crime by law abiding citizens. :(
     
  8. JimRau

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    Can you say 'slippery slope'??? I, for one, consider myself at the bottom of this slope!!:mad:
     
  9. Axxe55

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    whether you can or can't afford a fully auto firearm is irrelevant. prices are what they are due to the Hughes Act of 1986 and it ain't going away anytime soon.

    *****ing and whining isn't ever going to change anything. are you actually trying to do something positive to get the law changed or repealed, other than just moaning about it on a gun forum? do you belong to any gun rights organizations that are trying to defend and further our gun rights? do you email, write or call you local or state representatives and tell them your concerns about our gun rights?

    anyone can ***** and moan about things. but unless you're part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. and unless you're actively doing something to try effect positive changes, you have no right to ***** and moan about the problems we gun owners are facing.
     
  10. fsted2a

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    It was the Hughes Amendment to the Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA), but the rest of your post is absolutely correct.
     
  11. kbd512

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    Good idea, Tinbucket, but you're preaching to the choir here. You don't need to convince anyone here about the need to contact their Senators and Congressmen. I give them a piece of my mind whenever I feel like it.

    A couple quick notes about the topic, though. It would seem that a good number among us are afflicted with some misconceptions about what "rights" and "privileges" are. Rights can't be taken away. I can think of precious few things that can't be taken away. Privileges, on the other hand, can be granted and taken away. Obviously the privilege to own the firearms we wish to own and the privilege to carry them where we see fit has been taken away.

    The problem I find, with respect to our firearms privileges, is largely due to another common misconception about what constitutes "safety". I'm of the opinion that there's no such thing as "safety" and that it never existed and never will exist, but that's just me.

    Personally, I think you should write to your representatives about all the other privileges that have been lost. In your post you noted that illegal immigrants are something of a problem for the people who were actually born in the US. You might want to take up that issue first before you worry about owning machine guns or suppressors.

    I have a prioritized list:

    1. budget reforms (not spending more than you take in, not buying things you don't need, not spending money based on theories about how things work that don't hold up to reality)

    2. campaign finance reform (companies are not people, only people should be permitted to contribute to campaigns, and every dollar donated should be public knowledge)

    3. no more spying on Americans who aren't suspected of criminal activity and actual safeguarding of information that does need to be compartmentalized (most of the stuff that the government does should not be super secret squirrel sh!t and lots of the stuff that really ought to be secret somehow makes the evening news)

    4. no more laws that abrogate due process for Americans, or anyone detained by our various local/state/federal governmental bodies, and no "secret" laws (the Patriot Act is some of the most un-patriotic drivel ever committed to paper and someone please explain WTF is a "secret" law is)

    5. entitlement reform (virtue of birth does not entitle someone to anything and removing illegal aliens from America is about plain and simple law enforcement)

    If America can mark off all those "to-do" items as "done", then we can concern ourselves with other issues. Succinctly, paying for what we purchase, feeding and educating our own children, and not permitting our government to do things it shouldn't comes first. Unfortunately for we firearms enthusiasts, civilian ownership of machine guns doesn't even make the top ten list of what actually "needs fixin" in America.
     
  12. fsted2a

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    kbd512,What part of Keep and bear arms don't you understand? Our founding fathers who drafted the constitution intended for the citizen to be as well armed as the government in power. The government troops/police had muskets, and they believed the citizen should too. The M16 just happens to be the modern day musket, and owning one is a right, of which has been chiseled away, because we elect people who think they know better than us and are wiser than the founding fathers. Sadly, I don't see any progress to be made on a national level due to the impasse between the legislative branch and the executive branch due to not enough votes to override a presidential veto. Best bet now is to support 2A candidates as much as you can afford to and try to make small victories as much as possible. I think a concealed carry reciprocity law is within our grasp if we put language in it that gives a few other interests something they want.
     
  13. tinbucket

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  14. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    My goodness, how can I put this?

    I agree 100% with the common meaning and intent of 1A, 2A, and so on.

    Laws are made by people for other people and typically the people who wrote the laws are not subject to them. See how that works and why it might be a problem for the people subject to the law?

    Much to the chagrin of most of us here, our Constitution is not treated in the same manner as a legal document. It's not codified or common law. Sometimes that's good and sometimes that's not so good. The Constitution is treated as a set of guiding principles, a standard for morality, a general map, if you will, for acceptable behavior and practices for the government and the people to follow when making and enforcing laws if there is doubt. However, human beings, a group of people commonly called Supreme Court judges, determine what is and is not constitutional. I don't know about you, but I don't know how less than a dozen men and women, no matter how learned or wise, who have been appointed by the Executive, could possibly representative of the people or make authoritative decisions on behalf of 300M+ people and counting.

    In any event, anything that can be taken away is not a right- it's a privilege. Rights can't be taken away, but privileges can. Since our 2A "rights" have been infringed, i.e. taken away, our "right" to own firearms must be a privilege- something we have to work to maintain and defend.

    You don't have a "right" to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You have to be willing to work for, fight for, and if absolutely necessary die for those privileges. To my knowledge, and as is plainly evident by the current state of affairs with respect to 2A, precious few of us feel strongly enough about the happy switch to die for it. That's why that privilege has been taken away from us. When it would have cost us little or nothing, everyone capable of defending that privilege remained silent.

    To restore our privileges, we'd either need moral leadership we're not going to get from any of our current or prospective political leadership or we'd need to reform our government and elect people who actually have personal integrity and respect for their fellow Americans.

    In order for people to change, there has to be impetus to do so. Typically that impetus is unbearable pain brought about by the current state of affairs. Not having a happy switch doesn't seem to cause enough gun owners enough pain to motivate them to do anything about the current state of affairs. Our government is not at fault for the current state of affairs, we are.

    You may or may not agree with what I've stated, but all that I've stated is merely a reflection upon how our system of governance works, or doesn't work, such as the case may be.
     
  15. JimRau

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    With the arms go the power! History has shown this EVERY TIME!! That is why the liberal secular progressives MUST disarm us!!!
     
  16. Mercator

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    It is true. We are a republic. People complain of being oppressed, as if some alien force came and subdued them. In reality, it is simply the majority of fellow Americans, through their elected officials. (Especially ridiculous when coming from someone who doesn't vote).

    Here is another simple, unpleasant fact. The Constitution was written 200+ years ago. No portable 900 rpm machine guns or RPG's, no high explosives. For the folks who refuse to get it, the Founders should have codified Common Sense as an article of the Constitution. (Tom Paine came close). Unfortunately, they didn't feel it was necessary - common sense ruled the day. They trusted us more than we sometimes deserve.
     
  17. Rougewolf

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    People bring up this argument about this not being that and it wasn't back then and they did have this blah blah blah. My thoughts are there are too many people who don't give a **** unless it pertains to them. Let's say the government passes a bill saying you can no longer use the cell phone youre using. Or your car. It's a privilege not a right, right? Bet you will do something then. To many people piss their rights away because they don't see it as a right they use or need. My response to that is quit being the problem in america. Those are the idiots who voted for obama. Enough said.
     
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  18. Mercator

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    Here is a naked fact. I don't want you to have the right or privilege to bear a destructive device. I am the reason that you will not. As for the why, and the when, and the how, enough said. This is a fact of life. Sorry.
     
  19. Rougewolf

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    And youre the problem. You don't get to dictate what people should or shouldn't have. And last time I checked select fire or full auto weapons are not classified as a destructive device. I'm sure our forfathers are looking down and thinking what a bunch of pussies. (Sorry ladies for the term.)
     
  20. Mercator

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    That's ok. You've been outvoted. I happen to agree with the majority on this: you do not have the right to bear anything you want. Thus spoke Justice Scalia, for one. Take it, leave, or go to jail. Or cuss me to no end, that ought to help.