Seeding your harvest?

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by therhino, Aug 30, 2012.

  1. therhino

    therhino New Member

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    Odd question, but does anyone know if you can successfully harvest seeds from Burpee seed-grown plants? I'd read somewhere that Burpee (as well as other mass producers of seeds) engineered their plants to not produce viable second-generation seeds. True, or tinfoil hat talk?
     
  2. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    That would explain my failure rate. Doesn't hurt to try though.
     

  3. Nch22000

    Nch22000 New Member

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    You should look at heirloom varieties.
    The problem with most hybrid seed is that the seed producers carefully breed 2 different strains of plants to create a hybrid that has certain characteristics from each parent strain. This is great for the first generation seed. The next generation not so much, the plants may not grow right, may not produce fruit, may not germinate at all.
    Heirloom openly pollinated seeds will have a better chance of being good to go for a 2nd generation, but the drawback is that you don't get the benefit from the hybrid type.
    If you want more info google "heirloom vs hybrid seeds" there is hundreds of articles and websites about it.
     
  4. KG7IL

    KG7IL Well-Known Member

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    Heirloom or Open Pollinated is the way to go. The plants grown from their seeds should be true to type IF the plants you have grown have not been cross pollinated in YOUR garden.

    Seed Saving is quite a hobby.

    Check out Territorial Seed at http://www.territorialseed.com/category/526
    and Seed Saving at http://howtosaveseeds.com/index.php

    I attended a local class/info meeting and am eager to get started.
     
  5. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Yep- it is not Burpee- ii is that you have a hybrid.

    Example- Big Boy Tomatoes- are a cross between a Cherry and a Rutgers. Save the seeds, they revert to the dominant parent- and you get Cherry tomatoes.

    Save the seeds from Cherokee Purples or Mortgage Lifters, you get Cherokee Purples or Mortgage Lifters. Those are heirloom, non-hybrid varieties.

    Country Gentleman Sweet Corn reproduces as itself. Save the seed from the Super Incredibly Sweet Hand Me My Insulin Sweet corn- you get something that looks like oversized grass.
     
  6. therhino

    therhino New Member

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    Thanks for all the info, everyone. I seeded a bunch of late-season green beans last fall, and not a single seed germinated this spring.
    I'll look into heirloom stuff from now on.
     
  7. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Heirloom is it. I mail order mine through Jung.
     
  8. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    We grow some heirloom purple string beans that are the best I've ever had. Every year we plant from the previous season's seed and get probably 99% germination. We usually plant more than we plan on growing, then they all come up and we plant them anyhow. We got the original seeds from a neighbor decades ago.
     
  9. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I'll have to try those if I can find em. I have improved golden wax, love em but never saved the seed.
     
  10. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    I don't know the actual name of the ones I grow. Like I said we got them from a neighbor (now deceased) years ago. There are many to choose from. I don't think I have any seed left over from last year, but maybe we could start a seed exchange?
     
  11. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Jung catalog had a crapload of bean varieties, ill check there when I order next. Thanx, there are people that do this, I think its called seed savers exchange.
     
  12. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Here is a link to common vegetable varieties that are non-hybrid (heirloom). Many are commonly sold (carrots- Danvers and Nantes are popular, and heirloom)

    http://www.survivalblog.com/2012/07/heirloom-vegetable-varieties.html

    Also, if you are looking at TEOTWAWKI gardening, learn difference between an annual and a biennial plant- you get seeds the SECOND year.

    Two plants that are overlooked many times- potatoes and peanuts. If you are going to live on what you grow, you NEED carbohydrates. Potatoes fit the bill. Easy to grow, HUGE growing range. No seeds, save some potatoes to replant.

    Peanuts- need light soil. Very high in protein, oil. Easy to grow IF you can control the critters- deer love them.
     
  13. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Never grown peanuts. I'll have to give them a try. Any particular varieties that you favor?
     
  14. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I got enough problems with critters already. Rabbits, possums, coon, cats, deer just stomped my potato patch last week. If the fines weren't so hefty I would be poaching the bastards! I considered a nuisance permit, haven't jumped through the hoops yet.
     
  15. Vikingdad

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    I have fenced all of my gardens, one is fully enclosed by chicken wire. Took a small investment but well worth it. The one next to the house is just a rudimentary fence but it keeps the deer out.
     
  16. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I put up a fence, a rabbit dug under it and couldn't get out. It freaked, right before I shot it. I shoot almost every animal in my garden except for deer. Easiest way...
     
  17. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Here's a pic of the one fully enclosed garden just after I finished it (there is now a chicken coop next to it on one side and everything is in raised beds now instead of the wine barrels). On the right are the raspberries. It is just over 1000 square feet in size.
     

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  18. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    There is a 2"X6" pressure treated perimeter board all the way around mine, the big double wide gate has a railroad tie underneath it, only 1/2 inch clearance under the gate. Rabbits can't get in. Sometimes I get a small bird in there but that is all. The wire is as tight as a drum. Oh, and the water is from a year-round natural spring.
     
  19. c3shooter

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    For peanuts, Jumbo Virginian.

    For deer, we were using an electric fence. Found I could mount a motion detector floodlight on a 4 ft beanpole, with one light bulb and 1 adapter to power a waterproof radio. Scares the crap out Bambi.
     
  20. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Nice setup Viking. I'm jealous.