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I'm pleased to see all of the positive comments about the CZ. I played with one at the gun shop. The counter guy had all kinds of nice things to say about it. But I always think that a lot of salesmen are telling me whatever I want to hear to make the sale. The price is certainly pretty attractive for a pistol of it's class. The Money saved would buy a lot of accessories. I checked, accessories are reasonably priced and easily available i.e. sights, grips, magazines, etc.
Definitely on the short list now. The other cool thing about it is that I would'nt be seeing a dozen of them at the range every time I go. I value that sort of thing.
 

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I checked, accessories are reasonably priced and easily available i.e. sights, grips, magazines, etc.
There is also a groovy "kadet kit" that is basically a slide & magazine made to let you shoot .22LR with the CZ75b, handy for cheaper target practice or N00B training.
 

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Ok, I'm a 9mm type of guy when I'm not shooting .45acp or 10mm. I don't care about the rounds the gun carries. Accuracy is #1. A Walther P1 or P38 is tops. It ejects left while the rifling is a right turn. They counter each other. A Sig P6/225 would be next. I have big hands and a single stack gives great control. I've been the 92 route.
 

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I would go with a Beretta M92FS

People say it's overrated, but for good reason. Accurate, Reliable, Combat Proven.

Second choice would be the Sig P226.

Then maybe a CZ.


Most people buy based off of Ergonomics, so I would go with what feels most comfortable. :cool:
 

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My next pistol will be a Browning Hi Power, Beretta 92, or a cz75. Now, will this come before or after i get my AR?

Like overkill said the price is a little more attractive to me since i am not in the "wealthy bracket". with the couple hundred i am gonna save on the cz i am gonna get some custom grips by this guy.

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I would go used, and buy any two of the following:

S&W 5906
CZ 75/SP-01
Beretta 92FS
EAA Witness/Tanfoglio fullsized
Baby Eagle/Jericho.
Sig 226

My favorite is the Baby Eagle, but any of them except the Sig are great. I like the Sig OK, but the grip is odd to me, along with the trigger.

Even with the Sig, you should be able to get them both for about $1K, and once you decide which one you like better, you can sell it and try another one.
 

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I like my M&P9 Pro Series. Cost me the same as my brother's XDm (Also a fine gun), but has better sights (Fiber optic front, plain black slant rear) and fits my hand better. Admittedly, the trigger on the plain M&P sucks, but the Pro Series is as good as any other 9mm I've shot (Though I've yet to try a Hi-Power).
 

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The only (very minor) thing I don't like about the satin nickel finish is the slide stop and safety being black. Looks great with the black grips, but may look a bit out of place with wood grips.
 

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If it's a 9mm, steel or aluminum frame, for range use then it's a Browning HP, or a CZ 75 (be it 75B, 75BD, SP-01,...).

The CZ in particular are reknown for their excellent and comfortable grips way before modular grips for smaller shooter hands became the rage.

I actually prefer the 75B over the more exotic SP-01. The 75B feels more compact and balanced in the hand. However, the SP-01 (esp the Shadow) is already tricked out for the range: fiber optic front sight, adjustable rear, no firing pin block makes the trigger pull very light.

Todd at Pistol-training.com recently trashed the CZ's in the article "Zed is not your friend" claiming they jam too much contrary to the observations of CZ owners including myself. Take the Pistol-training.com blog with a very light grain of salt since someone called out PT.com on it and mentioned he has a history of trashing brands that he isn't affiliated with and then quickly changes his opinion afterwards once he is affiliated with the brand. Is it true? I don't know and don't want to accuse anyone of anything. But I do know that CZ's have been around for 35 years and a lot of respected companies (including Tanfolio, Jericho, etc) continue to copy the design for a reason. Because it works and works well.
 

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CZ's are good little guns. My friend has 2 and they both have never had a FTF in the thousands of rounds we have shot through them.

edit: he does take obsessivly good care of his guns though. He will clean them if they havent been cleaned in the past couple weeks, whether they where shot or not. So that may have something to do with it.
 

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I've kind of settled on some version of the CZ 75 b.
I'm curious about the various finishes. Those of you who own or have owned the various versions, I would love to hear your experiences.
Black Polycoat ($597 MSRP): How durable is it? I don't particularly care for the look of it. It looks really cheap to my eye, sort of like a Krylon job on a car. yes, it does the job, but it's still homely up close. However, if it's a durable finish I may be willing to work with it (if absolutely necessary.)
Satin nickel ($617 MSRP): Same question. If it's as durable (or more so) as the older nickel finishes it might be worth a look. Much easier on the eyes.
Apparently the Blued version has been discontinued since 08. How common were they? While I haven't exhausted all sources, they seem pretty uncommon on the used market. All other things being equal, I would prefer a blue one.
Stainless ($756 MSRP): Quite nice looking, but a pricey upgrade. Not sure if I'm willing to spend an extra $139 + on it. For my intended use, I don't actually need the added corrosion protection.
Note: MSRP prices are included to highlight the difference in finish prices. Aside from that, I understand they have very little bearing on reality.
 

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You forgot the duotone like mine, blued on the slide with "satin nickel" on the frame. The satin nickel is one of those like it or puke on it looks; i didn't barf on mine. The blued slide on mine was neglected by the previous owner and has some minor discoloration in a few places (laid in damp drawer i'd bet); i plan to have the slide cerakoted in the future.

I hear the stainless is very nice.
 

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I've kind of settled on some version of the CZ 75 b.
I'm curious about the various finishes. Those of you who own or have owned the various versions, I would love to hear your experiences.
Black Polycoat ($597 MSRP): How durable is it? I don't particularly care for the look of it. It looks really cheap to my eye, sort of like a Krylon job on a car. yes, it does the job, but it's still homely up close. However, if it's a durable finish I may be willing to work with it (if absolutely necessary.)
Satin nickel ($617 MSRP): Same question. If it's as durable (or more so) as the older nickel finishes it might be worth a look. Much easier on the eyes.
Apparently the Blued version has been discontinued since 08. How common were they? While I haven't exhausted all sources, they seem pretty uncommon on the used market. All other things being equal, I would prefer a blue one.
Stainless ($756 MSRP): Quite nice looking, but a pricey upgrade. Not sure if I'm willing to spend an extra $139 + on it. For my intended use, I don't actually need the added corrosion protection.
Note: MSRP prices are included to highlight the difference in finish prices. Aside from that, I understand they have very little bearing on reality.
Mmm...I dunno. True, the black polycoat isn't very pretty. It's like baked on enamel. Krylon paint isn't too far off as descriptions go but the coat is pretty thick. :D

Still, I would say it's no uglier than, say, Beretta's bruniton finish -- although Beretta's finish is a bit more glossy looking but not exactly exciting to look at either. CZ's polycoat is resilient to gun solvents too as I use both Hoppes, and Break Free, everytime I shoot it. Can't say if it's resilient to holster wear as I don't use one.

But, nope, who's kidding who? No one will ever mistake it for something like H&K's nitride finish.

Of course everything looks nicer in a nickel plate, or stainless...but regardless of the color, the CZ 75 (particularly the all steel models) are fantastic shooters.
 

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While I admit that the black polycoat on the CZ 75B does at times look like a Krylon paint job, it actually holds up fairly well. There are a couple of nicks in the finish on the opposite side of the side stop as I had problems trying to pop it out the first couple of times breaking down the pistol (the standard "idiot scratch" most commonly found on a lot of first time CZ owner pistols I have discovered), but for the most part it has held up well. Personally, I never really had a problem with the black polycoat considering that I am not at all a fan of the satin nickel finish, and prefer stainless steel only on certain pistols. It really boils down to which finish is appealing to you. Remember, you are the one that will be shooting it.

Keep in mind that the actual prices of the CZ 75B are much lower than the MSRP that you have been posting. I purchased my CZ 75B brand new in April, 2008 for $409.00 (after taxes, background check, and transfer fee it ended up being $489.96). I have seen the satin nickel finishes go for about $30-$50 more of the $409 price tag, and about $50 to $100 for the stainless steel. I'd shop around before making a final purchase to find the best deal. If you really like the blued model, you shouldn't have any problems getting one used for a great price either. Aftermarket magazines are also easy to find and very affordable as well. The best ones to invest in are Mec-gar. A little food for though when looking for accessories for your pistol.

I also wanted to point out that one reason why the CZ 75 is held in such high regards in the eyes of several gun enthusiasts is because it is only one in a handful of pistols of the late 19th century and the entire 20th century that has stood the test of time and has made a major impression and/or breakthrough in innovation in small arms history and technology (other examples being the Luger, Mauser C96, Colt M1911, and Browning Hi-Power). I have yet to find one person at the range who is a fanboy of another pistol series that hasn't fallen in love with my CZ 75B when I let them shoot it. Overall, it is a great pistol and if anybody gives you crap about it, it is because they are afraid to admit that you just purchased a pistol that is equivalent to the quality of an $800+ pistol for half the price. ;)
 

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The only criticism I would have is that the B, BD, and Omega models don't have the smoothest stock, out-of-the-box, double action pull compared to pistols like the Beretta 92FS, and Sigs.

The sole exception being the SP-01 which has a reworked trigger and no firing pin block which gives it an incredibly light pull.
 
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