Scope Question

Discussion in 'Optics & Mounts' started by CA357, Nov 7, 2010.

  1. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Do you think going from a 3-9x40 to a 4-12x40 will make enough difference at 300yds. plus to justify switching? I'm wondering about going a bit stronger on my Eddystone '06.
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Honestly I do not.

    I have subcribed to the "if I can see, I can hit it" shooting philosophy since I was a kid.

    If I wasn't allowed to shoot at it, well then that wasn't my fault, I but I could see it and I was sure I could hit it. :cool:

    Well I got into long range target style shooting, I realized that having the best possible optics for the task at hand really made a difference in where I could place a round.

    Going from 3x9 to 4x12 is going to help, but I don't think it will be a night/day difference at longer ranges.

    CAVEAT: Unless you are going from a paper towel tube to a Schmidt & Bender that is. :rolleyes:;)

    JD
     

  3. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Try adding a Bayonet.:eek: My Mosin M44 shoots better with bayonet extended.:D

    Do it, why not?
     
  4. Biohazard2

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    Unless your shooting Gnats, I don't think it would matter.
     
  5. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Okay, I wasn't sure. I think I'll go with a 4-14x40 to mount on my next rifle project just for grins.
     
  6. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Don't forget the Bayonet.:D
     
  7. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I'll probably J-B Weld a KaBar to the barrel. Then I can just jam it into the ground when I camp rather than having to set it somewhere.
     
  8. cpttango30

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    I would just because I can't stand a 3-9x to me there are just about as worthless as Pelosi. I would and did go with a 4-12x over a 3-9x.
     
  9. CA357

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    Thanks Tango.

    What's the feedback on the Bushnell Trophy line of scopes? I've been looking at a Bushnell Trophy XLT 6-18x40. The other option in my price range is a Nikon Pro-Staff 4-14x40.

    The alternative is to just wait a while and save some more money and buy a better/more expensive scope. However, even then, $300. is probably my limit.
     
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  11. CA357

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    Thanks Craig.
     
  12. cpttango30

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    I was looking at the XLT when I got my Vortex. They are supposed to be good scopes. The only thing I would shy away from in the bushnell line are the sportsviews.

    I am sure I don't need 12x on my deer rifle but knowing it is there if I some how end up with a 200 yard shot is nice to know.

    Everyone knows I tend to march to the beat of my own drum. That is one of the reasons I don't own a 10/22 or a 3-9x scope. They work but for me I think the 4-12x is a better overall scope. Esp if you want to say deer hunt and varmint or predator hunt with the same rifle. That 12x will give you a few extra yards on varmints or yotes.

    There are low cost scopes and their are cheap scopes. Low cost give you a quality optic for a reasonable price. We don't expect them to perform like a Nightforce, S&B, Ziess or a Leupold Mark 4. Cheap scopes are just that cheaply made cheaply sold and all around junk.
     
  13. DiabloMan

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    Another scope question?

    Hey guys what scope would you put on an AR-15 A1, fixed handle, 20"bbl, for shooting at approx 300 yards? Same rifle config only an A3 flattop, same range. I go with the idea that if I can see it I can hit it!
     
  14. JonM

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    my colt sp-1 a1 has a colt 4x scope works fanastic with 55grn bullets. the scope has made in japan stamped on it so i take it the optics are japanese and colt just labels em. i dont think they make em anymore. the super cool thing is it has a dial bdc that moves the xhairs and actually works and returns to zero. optics arent as wide a field of view as more modern scopes or quite as bright but it definately gets the job done. the scope base is see thru so iron sights can be used without removing the scope.

    one other thing: i dont think colt makes or supplies these anymore and there are a ton of chinese fakes and copies. nikon makes a nice 1x4 under the monarch make leopold makes good 1x4 as well.
     
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  15. M14sRock

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    Don, a general rule of thumb is 1x per 100 yards.

    I actually prefer lower powered scopes for hunting, because they point faster on lower power.

    For paper punching though, the higher powers are satisfying.

    Some of my deer rifles have Leupold 2-7's on them, and they are very easy to carry, while still plenty good enough for 300+.
     
  16. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I have sixty year old eyes Rock and need more help than you do. :eek:
     
  17. huffmanite

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    I can appreciate your setting a price limit for a scope and sticking to it. Do it myself quite often.

    I've nothing against brands/models you've asked about. But, you should take a look at the Nitrex TR1 or TR2 scopes available at Natchez Shooters Supply. They are discontinued models at reduced prices and Nitrex has sweetened the price by having either a $50 or $100 rebate on them.

    Nitrex and Weaver both owned by ATK, who owns Federal Cartridge, Speer, CCI, Alliant and others. Nitrex and Weaver both made by LOW of Japan and have outstanding Optics. The Nitrex TR1s are Weaver Grand Slams and TR2s are Weaver Super Slams. So, instead of paying around $480 for a 3-15X42 side focus with pullup turrets for a Weaver Super Slam, can get same scope from Natchez as a Nitrex tr2 3-15x42 SF with pullup turrets for $218.

    Have two of the Nitrex TR2s, outstanding scopes, really bargain priced.

    Check out this Natchez web page....can view all Nitrex models available. Worth a look.

    Nitrex TR Two 3-15X42mm Rifle Scope Matte Finish TrexPlex Reticle - Natchez Shooters Supplies TR Two 3-15X42mm Rifle Scope Matte Finish TrexPlex Reticle
     
  18. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Excellent information there. Thumbs up. :cool:
     
  19. CA357

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    I looked at the Nitrex scope you gave me the link for at Natchez and I almost bought it. However, I thought I'd compare prices on the Nikon and the Bushnell while I was at it and wound up buying the Bushnell. The price was too good to pass up. It's the Trophy XLT 6-18x40.

    Here's a link to it: Bushnell Trophy 6-18X40 AO Riflescope Multi-X Reticle Matte - Natchez Shooters Supplies

    The plan is to put it on the Eddystone and move the 3-9x40 Nikon to the 03A3. Once I get the match trigger sorted out on the Eddystone, it will become my long distance Zombie shooter. I will use the 03A3 as a field rifle, so the lower powered scope will be fine.

    BTW, I got to shoot Jo da Plumber's KelTec with a Bushnell red dot on it today. It's the first time I've ever shot with a red dot and I really liked it. I think I want to get one for my Mini 14.
    I have a B Square scope mount that I can use with it and that will still allow me to use the iron sights.
     
  20. huffmanite

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    CA357,

    Congrats on the new trophy scope, I'm sure it will be just fine for your Eddystone.

    By the way, just installed a Dayton Traister trigger from Midway on my Remington m1917 sporter, but haven't taken it to range yet to try out. But noticeably lighter trigger pull now. Had to do a little wood removal in the sporter stock and metal removal on slot for Dayton trigger in trigger guard, but not nearly as much as for the Bold Trigger I installed on a sporter 96 Swede the day before.
     
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