scope for my AR

Discussion in 'Optics & Mounts' started by hawkguy, Nov 27, 2013.

  1. hawkguy

    hawkguy Well-Known Member

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    hey all....

    looking for recommendations here.....

    I was looking at these....does anyone have experience?

    http://www.opticsplanet.com/bushnell-1-4x24mm-throwdown-pcl-ffp-riflescope.html

    http://www.cabelas.com/product/Bush...gclid=CNKBnaHwhbsCFTEV7Aod6j4ALg&gclsrc=aw.ds

    basically, I think I am settled on a good 1-4 scope that can be used as "irons" or some extra magnification.....basically an all around optic. I had a millet dms 1-4 and I liked that is was illuminated and 1-4, but I hated the size...imo it was HUGE...

    can't see going over $3oo....less would be better

    any other ideas for an AR optic of this nature is appreciated....

    thanks
     
  2. Triumphman

    Triumphman Active Member

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    Don't have that particular Scope, but I have it's little Brother. It's the 1-4x24 with BDC(2nd Focal Plane). Very good Glass. $100 cheaper than the Throw-Down model.

    What I've heard about the Throw-down Model, is it being FFP(1st Focal Plane) Scope, the operator is having troubles with seeing the Retical(horseshoe w/dot)when NOT Illuminated on the power magnification on the lowest power. On FFP the Retical and Target magnifies as power is increased---whereas 2nd FP the Retical stays same size, while Target size is increased with magnification.
    Also it appears that the Reticle is being washed out in bright Daylight conditions on Illumination.
    Also the Lever looks to be a weak point to break, but everybody seems to like it. All these faults is why I went with the non-Illuminated BDC Model.

    Weather's been rather nasty here in Missouri since I put Scope on Rifle(last Week), so I haven't run any rounds down the pipe to test it out. Does look killer on AR though.

    I should say I handled the Throw-Down Model in Walmart and I really wasn't impressed with it for the cost. I just knew it wasn't for me with what I saw. For others, it might just be the Cats Meow. It was built well, has very good Glass, Fast Eye Piece. Just didn't like the Horseshoe. Dot good. Horseshoe and Dot I thought cluttered up the image too much. Lever just seemed like it wouldn't last long---but it can be taken off.
    Del
     
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  3. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I have the Trophy XLT 1-4x24 with a 4A reticle and 1moa illuminated red dot. Works for me.
     
  4. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    Since it features a red dot can I treat shoot it off center like a red dot and not worry about alignment?

    That's one concern that's kept me away form non-redot traditional scopes for my ARs ( most of which are set up as CQB pieces
     
  5. Mercator

    Mercator New Member

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    A magnifying scope with the illuminated center dot will have some parallax, so not exactly. All depends on the practical scenario. If you shoot for quick acquisition and engagement, and the MOA is a Minute Of Adversary, you should be fine.
     
  6. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If the scope is properly set up in the correct forward offset mount you wont be misaligned. The AR's have an excellent cheek weld.
     

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  7. Mercator

    Mercator New Member

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    You must have large cheeks bro :D Most would need a Magpul upgrade, or the original A2 perhaps, to grade it that high.
     
  8. bigjim

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    While some may not like Barska scopes they do work, this is a 3-9x40mm with BDC and IR mil-dot reticle. Works for me. And is a lot less than $249.00

    Jim

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  9. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    Hawkguy,

    You are right! You will need the 1X if you are going to do any co witnessing with iron sights. With higher power they will just be a shadow. But in the examples JTJ and Bigjim showed here. Scope placement on the rifle is of most importance. The eyepiece should be close to even with the Charging Handle and no further back on the stock! So the proper mounting rail or scope mount system is necessary as in their pictures. Bushnell does make a decent scope and for the money regarding what type you mentioned.

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  10. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    want a really great crystal clear scope for super cheap??

    i hunt for the old weaver k2.5 series made in el paso. the german post reticle are the best and fastest. some can have poor glass due to abuse by the owner but the ones you find in good condition are crystal clear.

    prices here in wisconsin shows run 35-55$

    i just picked up a nice 2.5 with super thin xhairs for my 03A3 repro build for 50$.

    thy dont look tactical but are much more well built than pretty much everything short of a nikon african monarch or better.
     
  11. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I agree with our 1x4 assessment. I used a 1x4 Leopold for many years and liked it. I am trying a Burris MTAC 1x4 and did not like the reticle when I first got it but the more I use it the better I like it. :D
     
  12. DrFootball

    DrFootball disappointed & disgusted, But DETERMINED... Lifetime Supporter

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    Burris just makes Good Stuff!! sorry if that sounds "Too Simple" for most. I'm using the Heck out of our FF2 & FF3's,..next to Get a 332 or 536, or the MTAC with the Pepr mount and a FF on top,...The "Scope" for "Distant Reaching Out" and the Fast Fire for "closer" encounters....
     
  13. hawkguy

    hawkguy Well-Known Member

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    thanks for all the input.

    I have since purchased the bushnell ar optics 1-4 (I got both the reg. and illuminated). one, if not both will be going back.

    I am a NOVICE in every way when it comes to scopes, and these are just my first impressions as I have not shot with the scopes yet.

    I think the 1-4 (non illuminated) is going back. it is a very clear, bright scope for the $ imo. my problem is the reticle which imo, is FAR too busy to be effective. I just don't like it.....I also would have preferred they set the center bull for a 25 or 50 yard zero, and then just set maybe 2 other drop marks like 100 and 200, maybe 300. the reticle is too small and crowded and I think it will be a problem for closer work. I honestly would have preferred a simple crosshair.

    the Illuminated has me interested, but I am not sold yet. at 1X the reticle is TINY with the FFP set up. some have said this is on purpose to act as a red dot. I can get behind this, but I have also read it gets washed out in bright daylight, which would make it useless for this application. lately, we have had many overcast days, so I haven't had a chance to try out full sunlight. I will report back when I get a look through it in full sunlight. EDIT: I don't have much hope though, because it is not really very bright on this overcast day today! :( the optic itself is compact (enough), a bit heavy....but overall clear and bright. and despite some making fun of it.....I REALLY like the power change lever...it works great imo.

    the jury is still out on the bushnell for now. any other recommendations for an affordable 1-4 scope. it doesn't have to have illumination, but I want it to be quick, compact (less than 10" length) without an overly busy reticle.
     
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  14. hawkguy

    hawkguy Well-Known Member

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    anyone have any feed back on the BURRIS FULLFIELD TAC30?

    thanks
     
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  16. JonM

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    The old addage buy once cry once is especially true with optics as is kis (keep it simple). That's why my preferred optics are from trijicon either the acog or accupoint series.

    The green chevron or mildot are ideal depending on need. The chevron I zero the tip for 100 then the apex under the tip is 200 and the base line is 300. Works welll for 556 or 308 at those ranges.

    Other than that nothing really beats a simple duplex xhair or German #1 post if you can find em
    Just my opinion
     
  17. hawkguy

    hawkguy Well-Known Member

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    well, i THINK i have settled on the nikon m 223 with the point blank reticle. saw it on sale $60 off reg price, and after being pleased looking through it, i took a chance.

    pros: i like the reticle on initial impression, but i haven't shot with it yet.....some seem to dislike the reticle in opinions i've read. i like the simplicity of it. scope is VERY clear and bright imo.

    cons: so far, from the perspective of not having shot it yet, the only con i see is it is a bit bigger than i would have liked.

    i think its going to fill my needs as "irons" with some magnification. no co-witness, but i have a QD to remove quickly if needed.

    i will definately report back when i get range experience.
     
  18. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    the m223 is an excellent choice especially if you take advantage of the spot on software...
     
  19. DrFootball

    DrFootball disappointed & disgusted, But DETERMINED... Lifetime Supporter

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  20. DrFootball

    DrFootball disappointed & disgusted, But DETERMINED... Lifetime Supporter

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    Hawk: it is "Supposed" to be a Great scope, my "Bullet" Guy has one with a fast fire II on his( he's why I got the FF III!)....