Scope for a Remington 700 tactical?

Discussion in 'Optics & Mounts' started by sputnik1988, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. sputnik1988

    sputnik1988 Active Member

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    I just put an R700 tactical on layaway at my LGS and was looking for recommendations on a scope and mount?
    I am going for, for lack of a better word a 'sniper' look, The rifle will mostly be for target use (100-600 yards)

    I'm looking at spending $400 or less. Does anyone have any experience with the SWFA SS?

    I know exactly nothing about scopes so any tips would be appreciated. Thanks.

    Sorry for the lack of organization, I had to throw this together
     
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  2. 762

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    with that budget, look at a mil/mil SS 10x. an MOA scope will just confuse the hell out of you if you dont know anything about scopes. everything you hear about them is true. great glass, nice turrets (feel good, nice audible click), great customer service. i have one on my remington 700P. (in the middle of painting it right now)
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    i put a quarter on top of the turret to show the scale.
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    i have the SS rings too, they're ok, but i'd look at the burris xtreme rings if i were you.

    as far as a base, get a one piece. it'll help strengthen up the action. lots of folks make them. i wouldnt get the cheapest one you could find, but you dont have to spend $200 on it either. i have a nightforce base on mine.
     

  3. sputnik1988

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    Thanks 762, good info.

    I can't see the pics though. :(

    I also have a basic understanding of MOA, would i still want to stay away from moa scopes? And what do the numbers mean? Like 10x42, 12x42 ect.
     
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  4. Jagermeister

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    Military have used scopes that have just a crosshair with/without beads for ages. You do not need confusing lights and gadgets. You will never use it. Your price range is hard, since you need good glass to shoot long distance (for visual). I personally hunt with a Meopta Meostar 4-12x56 with red dot for night hunting. It is a 1000 dollar glass though. You need at least x56 for low light conditions. The red dot also helps at the range when my shooting kicks up a lot of dirt/dust. Either way best to spend a 1000 at one time on a good scope, then a 1000 replacing the crappy scopes.
     
  5. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    4-12X42= variable (zoom) from 4X to12X with a 42 MM objective bell (front lens)

    I would look at a Nikon, either 3-9X50 or 4-12X40.
     
  6. sputnik1988

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    If it only says 10x42 does that mean its a fixed 10x scope?
     
  7. 762

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    it depends. when you start using a mil-dot reticle with an MOA scope it can be confusing if you want to use the mils as holdovers. for instance, with my MOA/mil SS 10x scope, i know that with a 100 yard zero, i can hold at the last mil on the bottom of the cross and expect a hit at 400-500 yards with the load i'm shooting. 500 would be pushing it though. it's not hard figure out once you've studied it enough.

    yep
     
  8. TheSadPanda

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    My setup is a r700 with a vortex 2.5-10 x44, vortex precision rings, and a Midwest Industries base. One thing to keep in mind is that if you are going the distance (1000yds) youll want a 20MOA base. Youre asking an awful lot out of a scope that only costs $400. The Vortex was 400 and it will let you do 1000yd shots, but the odds will not be in your favor. In all honesty, you need to cough up a fee more dollars for a better scope.
     

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  9. sputnik1988

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    I guess my definition of long range is different from others. I'm thinking 600 yards or less, most of the time 200-300

    In my area, asking for a shot over 500 yards is pretty unrealistic. Id say 80% of the area is good for 200 or less. That's one reason I would prefer a variable power.
     
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  10. Txhillbilly

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    $400 isn't going to get you much of a scope,especially if your wanting to really shoot/see targets at long range. Scopes in that price range are great for hunting scopes,but not very good for long range.Most lack having enough adjustment capability to shoot past 600 yards.
    The cheapest priced scopes will be fixed magnification like the SWFA 10x42,and if you are only wanting to shoot targets,they work great for that. High magnification fixed power scopes usually won't work very well if you want to go hunting with them at shorter range,they have a small field of view compared with a variable powered scope that can be turned down in magnification.

    Mil-dot or Modified Mil-dot reticles are what most long range shooters like,since they give you holdover marks on the reticle that help the shooter with ranging targets,and allowing for windage changes easily.But you also need to learn how to use these reticles,and the distances in mils or moa that they account for in that particular scope.
    You will want to get a scope that has turrets that match the reticle. Either a Mil/Mil or MOA/MOA. I prefer using MOA/MOA,myself.
    Most cheaper cost scopes that have a Mil-dot reticle have MOA turrets,and although they can be operated by the shooter,it takes more time to learn the math between the two measurements.
    You also need to decide on which Focal plane you want to have the reticle in. First Focal plane scopes are easier to learn mil-dot style reticles with because the reticle size grows with the target image as the magnification goes up.
    A Second Focal plane reticle scope,the reticle remains the same size,but the target image grows as the magnification goes up,and you have to know what the reticle (dots) measurements are at the magnification you have the scope turned to. Most are set up to be read at certain magnifications such as 12x,depending on the scope,but if you know/learn how to do the math,you can use the reticle at any power.
    First focal plane scopes cost more than Second focal plane scopes.

    The lower tier of decent long range scopes starts off around $750 for variable magnification scopes. The Weaver Tactical scope is a very good starter scope,and it even has a First Focal plane reticle.They come in a 3-15x50 or a 4-20x50 scope.They also have very good glass in them.

    The Vortex Viper PST has a great following,and they can be had in First or Second focal plane.

    I like the Sightron SIII scopes,they only come in Second focal plane,but they have amazing glass,track/repeat excellent,and for the price are hard to beat. I have 5 of them,and have never had an issue with any of them.

    For a mount,I'd go with a good 1pc base-Weaver,EGW,Ken Farrell,etc.,and the only rings that I will use are Burris Signature Zee rings.

    Savage 10FCP-308 & 110FLP-25/06 Ken Farrell base's,Burris Signature Zee rings,Sightron SIII LRMD 6-24x50 scopes-
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    Custom built Savage 10-6.5 Creedmoor Weaver base,Burris Signature Zee rings,Sightron SIII MOA-2 6-24x50-
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  11. TheSadPanda

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    That opens up your options. A lot. Thats EXACTLY. The ranges i bought my scope for. Look into the vortex lines. Seriously. Best warranty in the optics world and great quality glass for $400. This is mine http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009R8IIQY?dpm=1
     
  12. sdiver35

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    I just picked up a R700 today and put my 4-12x42 Nikon 223 on it for the time being. Good info being discussed here though!
     

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  13. Txhillbilly

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    Why did you put a mount designed for an AR style weapon on your rifle?

    You won't be able to get a good cheek weld with the scope mounted up so high off your rifle. Just my 2 cents!
     
  14. TheSadPanda

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    I was going to give some smartass comment, but this is actually a good point. That scope is way too high.
     
  15. sdiver35

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    Like I said- for the time being, it was not on my AR because there is an Eotech on it right now. Yes I know it is too high, Relax gees.
     
  16. locutus

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    For 600 yards of less, a 1.5-6X42 is ideal. 2x-10x or 3x-9x are also excellent. You don't need more power than that for 600 yards.
     
  17. 762

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    i've heard good stuff about the nikon p223's. they just came out with a .308 calibrated scope as well. might be worth looking into, it was closer to $600 IIRC. if i hadnt just put the SS 10x on my 700, i'd probably have gotten one.
     
  18. Txhillbilly

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    That's just your personal opinion.
    Everyone's eyesight is different,and for target shooting,I'll take the 6-24x50 power scopes all day long.
    Hunting is different,you want to still have a wide field of view,and lower magnification is better.
    Most of my hunting scopes are 4-12 or 4-16 power,and a few 3-9's.
     
  19. locutus

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    I like a my 6.5-20X50MM Nikon for target shooting and
    varmints. No disagreement there.

    But for everything else, even my 68 YO eyes don't need more than about 6X.

    Tx, I guess the main reason I hate high power scopes is because so many folks use them in place of binoculars.

    I find it disconcerting to glass an area with a spotting scope or binocs and see some ignorant dipsh!t looking at me through his rifle scope.:mad::mad:
     
  20. sputnik1988

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    I went to the gunshow today and looked at some optics, my dad bought an osprey illuminated 4-16x50 and we both really like it, the also had a 10-40x50. They look to be of good quality and are relatively inexpensive due to the fact that they aren't U.S. made. That kinda bothers me but if the 4-16 works well, at only $225 (gunshow price) I think I'll buy the 10-40.