School defense plan

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by fmj, Dec 23, 2012.

  1. fmj

    fmj New Member

    3,459
    0
    0
    Any feedback on how i should/would/could tweak this would be greatly appreciated. If i find a need to amend it, i shall and send amended copies to my state Representation.

    Copy of missive sent....

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    After watching devastation of communities and lives in my lifetime by deranged madmen with guns in “gun free zones”. Columbine (during the last failed Assault weapons ban) Virginia Tech, Aurora and most recently, Sandy Hook Elementary. As a father of school aged children, my heart bleeds for the families of the children and school staff killed in this latest tragedy and the community of Newtown.

    I feel we all know that something MUST be done to better protect our most precious resource. Recently Mr. Lapeirre of the NRA suggested armed security at schools. Where this is a good beginning, I don’t think it goes far enough. To this end I will outline my, I am sure controversial, plan.

    My plan is to allow any and all teachers, administrators or other staff to arm themselves.

    1st only those staff that CHOOSE and volunteer to be armed will be.

    2nd We pay for those that so choose to take part in this program to take intensive defensive shooting classes and crisis remediation classes.

    3rd we pay those willing to be armed a small stipend on each paycheck for the “inconvenience of carrying a firearm”

    4th we make sure those that are armed will have their firearms loaded with “frangible” bullets.

    5th all firearms MUST be concealed at all times.

    6th ONLY the “trained professional armed security” or director of the schools security program know who are the staff so armed.

    7th signs posted at all entrances to school and school grounds that staff are armed and trained to repel, with deadly force, any and all who threaten the staff or students.

    What this does is put doubt into the minds of any that would perpetuate violence upon our children or schools. No “unbalanced” student or other person(s) could “case” the school beforehand and target the too few armed security professional (s) at the beginning of the assault. Then leaving them free to reign terror and death upon the occupants of our schools.

    This allows our teachers and staff to INSTANTLY respond, with deadly force if needed, to any and all threats to our precious children.

    In the Sandy Hook tragedy, the principle and teachers stood with empty hands against a madman wielding firearms to save their precious charges, their pupils. THIS is a travesty that we do not allow our teachers to effectively protect our children as well as teach them.
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2012
  2. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

    5,007
    3
    0
    I'm sold on all those ideas. I'm sure you know how some will receive it though. Clearly, gun free zones don't work.

    Have someone better than you and I edit for grammer and spelling. After that, let it plant the seeds of sanity in a crazy world.

    Good job FMJ
     

  3. BigB

    BigB New Member

    2,294
    0
    0
    I would also potentially add that Front Sight Firearms Training Institute is offering free training to teachers.
     
  4. manta

    manta Well-Known Member Supporter

    3,027
    47
    48
    All sounds OK. The only problem with that the shooter will go somewhere else and find a easy target. They might be crazy that doesn't mean they are stupid.
     
  5. fmj

    fmj New Member

    3,459
    0
    0
    Let 'em go somewhere else...MANY concealed carriers everywhere in this state. the whole PURPOSE to this proposal is to keep the psychos OUT of our schools!
     
  6. BigB

    BigB New Member

    2,294
    0
    0
    You're absolutely right, but at least using our children as targets will be off the table! If we don't stop this now, the next madmen will only try to one-up each other.
     
  7. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

    5,007
    3
    0
    This is a problem for you ???? OMG
    I can never read your post in the same light I had before your comment that it would be a problem if the mad psyco killer goes somewhere else besides schools. SMH
     
  8. manta

    manta Well-Known Member Supporter

    3,027
    47
    48
    [quoteLet 'em go somewhere else...MANY concealed carriers everywhere in this state. the whole PURPOSE to this proposal is to keep the psychos OUT of our schools! ][/quote]

    As i said don't assume they are stupid. School isn't the only place children gather. School buses--cinemas--school trips--school camps-- they will wait to there ate no adults armed or otherwise before acting.
     
  9. manta

    manta Well-Known Member Supporter

    3,027
    47
    48
    So its OK if they shoot children somewhere else as long as its not in school. You are kidding yourself if you think turning schools into fortress that the shooter won't find children somewhere else if that's what he is after.

    There was a similar incident in the UK 30 years ago. Security wasn't changed in UK schools. Thankfully nothing similar has happened again. There is no security in UK schools the doors are open and anyone can walk in.



    Why do you think that's the case in the UK. In America attacks in schools are frequent and people are talking about turning schools into fortress.
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2012
  10. BigB

    BigB New Member

    2,294
    0
    0
    As i said don't assume they are stupid. School isn't the only place children gather. School buses--cinemas--school trips--school camps-- they will wait to there ate no adults armed or otherwise before acting.[/QUOTE]

    Noted, I believe that is why some are calling for the outlawing of GFZ's! Either way we cannot guard our kids 24/7, but at least we would be taking away one avenue for these psychos.
     
  11. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

    3,495
    0
    0
  12. fmj

    fmj New Member

    3,459
    0
    0
  13. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

    5,007
    3
    0
    Manta, maybe that's the problem across the pond. Your only solution to a problem is let the government fix it. They are the only ones who are smart enough. You did such a good job with your freedoms, guns, free speech, hell isn't fox hunting banned now. What part of your culture will you stand for ? Until your methods show a measure of success, I will look else where for solutions than the UK.
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2012
  14. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

    3,495
    0
    0
    Tasers, pepper spray, etc., are good. Certainly it's better than nothing. :)
     
  15. fmj

    fmj New Member

    3,459
    0
    0
    as good as a gun in the hands of trained individual?
     
  16. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

    3,495
    0
    0
    Better than guns that are not allowed by the board to be in the hands of school staff.
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2012
  17. manta

    manta Well-Known Member Supporter

    3,027
    47
    48
    Fox hunting in not banned just hunting foxes with dogs. They are considered a pest and can be shot. You didn't answer my question there has being one similar incident in the UK in 30 years. There is no security in schools. Why do you think there are so many in America . And the schools have to be turned into armed fortress to try and stop them.
     
  18. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

    5,007
    3
    0
    For one the uk has 1/5th the population of the US. Less crazies. So what do you suggest, turn in our guns like the uk?

    Why did they ban the hunting of foxes with dogs. It was the pack of hounds that made it cultural. Or was that the point?
     
  19. manta

    manta Well-Known Member Supporter

    3,027
    47
    48
    There are still plenty of guns in the UK. Whats in this part of the UK .Quote. We found that almost 60,000 members of the public own over 146,000 firearms with the remaining 7,018 legally-held guns belonging to serving police and prison officers.




    A total of 2,924 licenses have 'Personal Protection Weapon' among the conditions of use. These holders include ex-PSNI, civilians and prison officers.
     
  20. krosskelt

    krosskelt New Member

    90
    0
    0
    ?? Guess this dumb American didn't get the point of that last post. What I see is 60000 people that own one rifle and one shotgun (most hunter's minimum) and some people that may have a couple rifles or shotguns. Looks like maybe you were trying to make a point that the government was out gunned. Our point is the government should be out gunned by its population to keep it in check. The government is there to do our bidding not vice versa.