SB 649/ manchin toomey universal background checks bill

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by fmj, Apr 14, 2013.

  1. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    This sounds too good to be true. But if what he is saying IS true...I think we need to have this signed in tomorrow.

    No NICS check if you hold a CCW permit or other gun license.

    Felony charges for compiling a registry.

    Protections from civil litigation for buying a used firearm through legal channels.

    Protections for transporting over state lines.

    Being able to purchase handguns out of state.

    Nothing about selling/gifting to friends/family/face to face transactions.

    I mean hell, we all already get a background check on EVERY purchase from a shop or vendor at a gunshow. Those of us that have a CCP, CCW, or LTCH permits have already been through background checks.

    It does NOTHING to stop criminals, but it makes the left "feel good" and on the face of it, adds protections for gun owners.

    Anyone here actually seen the language of the bill?

    [ame]http://youtu.be/E9UMox1WoTw[/ame]
     
  2. camiller

    camiller New Member

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    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s649/text

    I'm stll digesting it but one concern I have is the following:

    The legal definition of "curtilage" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtilage ) is kind of nebulous but in laymans terms seems to only include the home and immediately surrounding yard area. A temporary transfer out on the back 40 would seem to be precluded.

    Still thinking about the rest of the bill.
     

  3. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    I tried to read it myself...gave up with a damn headache....i read at a pretty high level, but legaleze gives me a headache.

    As to what you posted, read further into that section. There are exemptions. The way i read it, again i am no lawyer, but i can sell/loan to someone that has a CCW, CCH, LTCH. You can also lend to an "unlicensed" individual for training at a range, or for hunting/trapping where legal.

    I found the language but it will take me weeks to digest the whole damn thing. But ididnt see anything else about the rest of the protections that guy was jabbering about.
     
  4. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    I don't trust it. I have made purchases at a gunshow from individuals selling their collections, no NICS required.
     
  5. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    I fail to see how this bill will stop another sandyhook, and anything the government says we need I am against
     
  6. nitestalker

    nitestalker New Member

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    Every Democratic administration for the past 80 years has proposed gun laws. Obama and his supporters are contributing to this tradition.:(
     
  7. gunsmoke11

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    Don't fall for this BS law. When laws are passed like gun registration was in NYC in the mid 70's they always start out letting you keep what you have, or just plain gives the appearance that it just doesn't seem to effect you. Then one day without realizing it the tables are turned and the law turns against you.

    NYC is a great example of bait and switch. Telling you that common sense dictates that these laws are necessary and people agreeing only lets them get their foot in the door in order to bring down the hammer on your head when they feel the time is right. Now the NY Safe Act will eventually take guns away from everyone in the entire state as they did just in the city.

    When NY governor Pataki banned AW's and hc mags in 2000 those who owned pre-bans were allowed to keep them. As of approximately one hour ago they are now illegal. So, so much for what they promise. This innocent sounding background check proposal by 2 wolfs in sheep's clothing will lead to the govt knowing who owns the guns and will know through registration who the owners of specific guns are.

    There's nothing good about this proposed law when all they do is lie to us over and over again and we getting the short end of the stick over and over again. When there's another incident and there will be, what will they propose then. This crap is never ending and it has to be stopped dead in it's tracks now.
     
  8. nitestalker

    nitestalker New Member

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    I really fail to see how a Federal law regarding conduct on private shooting ranges can be enforced. Most of this if it passes will be in courts for a very long time.
     
  9. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    I don't like it one bit...smoke and mirrors...
     
  10. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You're right, FMJ. You understand the political process and how it works.

    Our allies in congress are turning this around on the libs. But you'll never convince the fanatics that think any compromise measure is evil. The people working the hardest on our behalf are being called sell-outs and whores.

    Since they don't even understand the process, they don't trust our friends and allies, and the paranoid silly bullsh!t just keeps flowing.
     
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  11. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    If you give a mouse a cookie...
     
  12. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Even if the cookie is poisoned??:D:D
     
  13. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    1934-National Firearms Act -Who needs machineguns? We'd be better off without them on our streets. It's for the children.

    1938-Federal Firearms Act-Only people the government approves of should be able to sell guns. They should also be required to record the buyers personal information.

    1968-Gun Control Act-Lets let the government decide who gets to own a gun. After all, violent murderers have the right to be back on the streets after serving a few years, and nonviolent felons don't deserve rights after serving their time.

    1972-ATF-Hey, lets give the Treasury's Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division of the Internal Revenue Service the ability to enforce gun laws. Lets call them the ATF. After all, they will never do anything wrong or unconstitutional.

    1986- Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act-Let's ban the manufacturing and import of armor piercing bullets. After all, they are SOOO much more deadlier than regular FMJ and ballistic tip bullets.

    1990-Crime Control Act-Hey! lets ban all guns in certain areas and call them gun free zones. After all, criminals obey laws. Let's also ban the assembly of some semi automatic rifles bade from legally imported parts. You know, because guns made from imported parts are much more deadly than guns made from American parts.

    1994-Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act-Let's impose a 5 day waiting period for handguns for several years, then replace it with a background check system. That 5 day waiting period sure will save a lot of lives, and that background checks will stop criminals from buying guns at gun shops. After all, that's where criminals get all their guns.

    1994- Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act-Lets ban assault weapons! You know, because 99% of all crime are committed using them. Lets also ban high capacity magazines and make it illegal for juveniles to even possess a hand gun. Boy, will that save a lot of lives and end crime once and for all.

    2013-Present Day-Lets try to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines again! After all, that worked GREAT last time we did it. Lets also require that all guns be transferred through an FFL since criminals would never steal guns or keep buying them on the streets.

    :rolleyes:

    What did we get for all of this?

    1986-Firearms Owners' Protection Act Loosened SOME of the restrictions on guns, but banned civilians from owning machineguns manufactured after the passing of this bill.

    WOW, THAT WAS SURE WORTH IT. :mad:

    I'd also like to add that if that bill does pass, all the amendments pass with it. Those amendments could still include an assault weapons ban, and a high capacity magazine ban. It could also contain much more.

    I say we stop giving the mouse a cookie right here and now. Lets give it a mousetrap instead. Otherwise, they will keep coming after our rights, they will go after registration, and they will go after confiscation of some guns. WAKE UP!
     
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  14. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    We need a cat up there to eat those mice.

    I have no friends in DC.
     
  15. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    TESTIFY!!!!! :cool:
     
  16. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Too damn bad the NRA did not immediatly downgrade these two A rated senators to F-. These two hacks are traitors to our cause. So is our OK senator Coburn.
     
  17. Tackleberry1

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    One of my big concerns with this bill is that it seems to provide "incentive" for folks to get a CCW.

    Gun registration might well be banned but millions of us CCW holders are "registered gun owners" by the fact that our CCW's are on record.

    Anytime the government offers something, there is always a catch... HMM... wonder why the Government would be interested in a program that provides "incentive" for EVERY American gun owner to apply for a CCW?

    What on EARTH could they have in mind?

    Yea, Yea, Loc... I know... My tinfoil hat strap is a bit too tight.

    Tack
     
  18. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    except mccain and toomey have nothing but contempt for anyone who isnt a liberal or a moderate and they have a special hate-on for anyone that thinks they need a gun because its part of the constitution...

    mccain and toomey are liberals who couldnt get elected if they didnt have a R behind their names.
     
  19. Daoust_Nat

    Daoust_Nat Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Well, one thing is for sure, you that dislike this are in good company. I doubt that Sen Schumer likes it either. Wait and see what comes out of this with amenmdments. It may be for nothing. I don't think "The Dear Leader" would sign it anyway. Not restrictive enough.
     
  20. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    I'll loan you a ten gallon tinfoil hat, because I feel the same way. My BIL's both have their carry permits, the "enhanced" MS permits, but I hate to give up my fingerprints. All the crap I've gotten away with and the crap I didn't, I NEVER got printed or photographed. :( Gotta have it though; don't want to OC.