Sawed-off

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by illusion11, Apr 9, 2007.

  1. illusion11

    illusion11 New Member

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    So, I never really understood. Are sawed off shotguns now legal? I keep hearing it but I don't really understand it as they are pretty... umm... dangerous... :p
     
  2. Drake

    Drake New Member

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    Sawed-off is not legal. The gun must be at least 18 inches in length unless you're a law enforcement officer, in which case you can buy stock 14 inch pieces. However even law enforcement cannot use sawed off weapons, nor is it a wise choice. The scatter makes them useless beyond point blank ranges.
     

  3. chorlton

    chorlton New Member

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    Yes, you must have an 18" barrel or more. You can see some of the LE 14" guns on gunbroker etc.
    Shotguns were usually cut down for concealment purposes, but with the modern range available to us, I can't think of a use that another weapon doesn't fit.
     
  4. allmons

    allmons New Member

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    I agree with all the above, and would like to reiterate -

    accuracy and effectiveness essentially disappear with the shortest barrels.

    Most stagecoach security guards shortened their barrels some to get better follow through and to get the weapon into action sooner.

    The truly short sawed offs were carried under coats or in holsters by those who were poor shots with pistols for up close work, usually in anticipation of sudden altercations.

    Remember that the early blackpowder shotguns often had long barrels for game-getting, but were cumbersome for self defense. As someone else noted, the plethora of firearms today make a truly short shotgun pointless -
    and VERY illegal.

    :)
     
  5. allmons

    allmons New Member

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    I should add, NFA rules DO allow shorty rifles and shotguns

    with a blue tax stamp ( again depending on whether you live in America or in one of the socialist states).

    I just don't know why you would spend all that money and time on a short barrelled shotgun when there are so many more fun toys out there!

    :)
     
  6. BrassMonkey

    BrassMonkey New Member Supporter

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    "sawed off shotguns" or SBRs as their legal term names them are legal with a ATF tax stamp, and a one time tax of $200 dollars. You must live in a state that allows sbr weapons, and submit a form for approval to the ATF prior to cutting down your barrel.
     
  7. Navy4087

    Navy4087 New Member

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    There are however revolvers (Tauras comes to mind) that chambers a .410 shotgun shell. I think 3-4" bbls. Would be good out to 5-7 feet with large sized shot like 4's or 2's
     
  8. marmac

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    The only reason I can see ANYONE having a sawed off shotgun is for personal protection. That's why I'm thinking on buying one of the Taurus the combination pistol/shotgun. I saw it in a Taurus catalog and was intrigued. I asked my dealer about it and he told me that he was thinking about carrying one. He said he was going to order one to see how it went, saleswise. It will probably be my "carry" gun.

    MarMac
     
  9. BrassMonkey

    BrassMonkey New Member Supporter

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    .410 comming out of such a short barrel is a poor choice for self defence IMHO.
     
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  10. Splatter

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    14" and 12" barrels are legal on manually operated (pump-bolt-lever-SxS-etc) firearms here. (they have to be factory made barrels we can't cut them down ourselves)
    A 14" barrel is no more or less accurate than an 18" barrel of the same configuration, tho you do give-up some velocity.
    I've seen 14" barrels used to shoot skeet fairly sucessfully.

    http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/N870-14.00.shtm
     
  11. marmac

    marmac New Member

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    Not sure of that! I don't plan on using #8 shot 30 feet away. Your looking at buck or #4 inside a room. I think it could put a good size hole into a person. I think it would put them down if nothing else! Then, there's the revolver part that could defintely put them down. :mad:

    Also, not bad for a concealed weapon. Small enough for a car and I think it could work, better than putting a shotgun in a glove box. :eek:

    MarMac
     
  12. KSDeputy

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    I recently bought a Remington 870 Tac 14. It is a short legal shotgun, and when used with managed recoil ammunition, I love it. It has a birds head handle instead of a stock, is fun to shoot, and I am turning an old stump to powder with 00 buck.
     
  13. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    My bedside gun is an 870 Wingmaster with an 18 1/2" inch barrel, extended magazine and a full stock. It works fine in confined areas. I did plenty of testing with cardboard to have a good idea of what kind of patterning to expect. In close combat, even with bird-shot it would leave a really nasty hole.

    Of course, just the sound of chambering of a round in that gun would make a wise man dive for a window. It is the international language for "I just ****** up."
     
  14. SSGN_Doc

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    Wow a 2007 thread with a lot of partially correct info and info gaps and now statements about slide racking being a stopper.

    Awesome find.
     
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  15. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    So, do you mean to tell me that if you were doing dirty deeds in a dark house and heard the sound of a 12 gauge being cycled, you would continue your dirty deeds? It would sure as hell stop me. I wouldn't need a window or a door to get away.
     
  16. primer1

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    But you think logically, are not on crack or meth, and could feel pain.

    What if the perp is already pointing her weapon in your direction? You just gave away your exact location and that you are armed, and she just got the first shot.
     
  17. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    No. You have a point that a logical person in their right mind would stop.

    However a logical person in their right mind should not be endangering you to the point of fearing for your life.

    I had read an article of an accout where a man broke into a house and headed up the stairs where the home owner stood with a shotgun. He pumped it. The guy kept coming despite being told he was in someone else's house and would be shot. The owner fired a birdshot round into his leg. He still proceeded up the stairs. He took two. More birdshot rounds before stopping.

    I tend to prepare for worst case. Buckshot in the shotgun (if it is time to use Leathal force it will be leathal without question. Will rack it before proceeding to engage verbally or with fire.

    The other issues I had were with regard to "sawed off", SBR vice SBS barrel length vs barrel length AND overall length being factored in in the definition.

    It was a thread that could have died 10 years ago quietly in 2007.
     
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  18. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    Illusion,
    If you want a similar shotgun to a sawed off. Just find and buy an old Double Barrel and saw it off to, I would go 18 1/4" or 18 1/2" just for safety sake. And then put a little silver solder at the muzzle end between the barrels under the rib.
    This will reinforce the cut of area. You will have what is called a Cylinder Bore. It would make a good in home defense gun. I have one hanging over my fireplace mantel.

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  19. Dallas53

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    it's making the assumption that the person breaking into your home is thinking with a rational mind, and if that were the case, very possibly the sound of shotgun being racked, could put the fear of God into the intruder.
    personally, for my own safety and the safety of my loved ones, i will not be making such assumptions. i will automatically assume they are a threat. there will be no warnings. their warning was the locked door or window they broke in to gain entrance into my home. the no trespassing signs on the fence line were the first warnings that they were not welcome.
    frankly, i don't feel compelled to give a warning, nor give an intruder or attacker within my home any sort of fair chance.

    my pump shotguns are kept loaded, but not chambered. so if i rack the slide, i will be pulling the trigger. my method may not be ideal for everyone, but i have practiced quite a bit racking and chambering a round while the shotgun is shouldered and then fired afterwards. again, this may not be ideal for everyone, but as i have practiced it extensively, it does work well for my needs.
     
  20. Robert Mohn

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    I am looking for someone who is actually knowledgeable about California law. I have an old pump 16 gauge. It has already been re-blued and not worth collecting. It is so old it only shoots 2 1/2" cartridges. I was thinking about going short on it but staying within the legal limits and using it as purely home defense. Everything I have found so far states that as long as I keep the barrel at least 18" and the overall length at least 26", I am good to go. Has anyone else seen or read anything that contradicts that information?