Saw a guy open carrying today

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by clip11, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. clip11

    clip11 New Member

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    I saw a guy walking down my street open carrying while I was leaving to go out. I pondered the wisdom of that, seeing that he was a young black guy in the city of Detroit. And unfortunately, the city is anti-gun like most big city. And as much as I hate to admit it, most violent crime in this city is caused by young black men. So the police seeing him with a gun may put him in a situation where he may be arrested or worse. Because when the cops stop him, and they will, it's only a matter of time, they're going to treat it like a felony stop, which means they're getting out with guns drawn. And if they so much as think he's reaching towards that gun, he's a dead man. Furthermore, I don't know if this guy is a felon or not, if he is, then that invalidates the whole open carry rule to begin with.
     
  2. Paladin201

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    Here in Missouri, open carry is legal, at the state level. And Missouri's state gun laws preempt all county and local laws. That is, what's legal in Missouri is legal everywhere in Missouri. Except for open carry. Missouri law specifically excludes open carry from preemption. So open carry laws can change from county to county or city to city. And unfortunately, most municipalities ban open carry. But my CCW instructor, who as I said before is a retired attorney recommends strongly against it, even in areas where it's OK. First of all, the mere sight of a gun can cause some people to go into a state of panic. So why cause undo distress, when its so much simpler just to keep the thing hidden. Secondly, open carry is going to atract the attention of LEO's even in areas where it's legal. You are likely to get stopped frequently. And thirdly, I don't want to advertise the fact that I'm armed. Yes, it may serve as a deterrent to some of the low life thugs out there. But others may see it as a challenge, and you'll end up provoking the very thing you're trying to avoid.
     

  3. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    I do not understand peoples need to advertise their gun? IMHO it accomplishes only 2 things: 1 it wastes LEO time and resources checking out the OC crowd to make sure they are not felons and it makes the armed citizen a target for Ned do wells.

    I've heard the pro OC arguments and agree with most of the, I just don't think the benefits outway the drawbacks.

    However, to each his own and I will be dropping some money in Starbucks on Feb 14th to show my support of thier pro carry policies.

    Tack
     
  4. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Not a big fan of OC personally, least not outside my car or home, just doesn't seem practical.
    The reasons not to OC though, they sound familiar from childhood sunday school; i think they had a little song about hiding your light under a bush and such vs. letting your light shine. Of course, the traditional fish symbol was a secret symbol for IDing fellows of the early Christian church as well, so it would seem some discretion was considered acceptable.

    Odd, not much reminds me of childhood church lessons.
     
  5. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    Michigan open carry org has been doing a great job.

    I've moved towards more OC than CC
     
  6. unclebear

    unclebear New Member

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    I'm ok with open carry I don't have any problem with it but I prefer CC just because if someone is watching you waiting to try something stupid they don't know you have your weapon so theirs the unknown factor there.
     
  7. GeneJr

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    I think they both have there pros and con. For instance, her un Arizona you no longer need a ccw to conceal. I don't much like that because now any dumb ahole can be carrying and no1 knows. Before you had to take your class so you knew when it was right or wrong to put a stop to some 1s life. Witch to me is a good thing. Now if you didn't take your class and know the right from wrong, you have to open carry. Not that every single person that doesn't have 1 ocs but it cuts down. At this point atleast the cops can see who ocs and if they don't look right then there you go. But me personaly, I oc. I won't cc untill I get the proper training. But in doing so, ocing, I do take the risk of any ******* to try something dumb because he sees it. And if that happens, and I don't want it to, they just better hope there a faster draw or real sneeky. Because my eyes are always peeled and I got a fast hand. Lmao and a black hawk supra holster.
     
  8. Cattledog

    Cattledog New Member

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    I think there's a time and a place for OC. Personally, Id rather no one know If I'm armed or not around alot of people. However when im on a camping trip in the middle of nowhere, I wear a drop leg holster to advertise to that unknown truck pulling up to my site that I am indeed armed. I dont think its a good idea to do it as a form of protest though. (see: California, starbucks) The media always seem to skew it as "look what those gun nuts are up to now"
     
  9. InDefenseofLiberty

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    I also live in AZ and I don't (as of yet) have a concealed carry permit. However I am giddy that every Tom, Dick and Harry now has the right under state law to carry concealed. You either believe in the 2nd amendment our you don't. We have the right to keep and bear arms period. Concealed our otherwise shouldn't matter to you. Training is every gun owners personal responsibility yes but, don't take that as a condition off concealment.
    I believe it was Nathen Hale who said,"those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" founding fathers knew what liberty was and tried damn hard to limit government to protect it.
     
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  10. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    My thoughts exactly.
     
  11. g17frantz

    g17frantz New Member

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    Paladin, where you at in mo? I'm in Columbia
     
  12. GeneJr

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    Funny. As of two days ago, I started cc. For sum reason or another I just figured if some limp Dick ******* with felonys can then I might as well two. But that doesn't mean I won't get my training in ether. I just don't think any ******* should be able to. But law or no law u can't stop them. So I might aswell protect myself to the fullest. And thank u for ur opinion, it puts things in perspective a little more for me.
     
  13. 007BondJamesBond007

    007BondJamesBond007 New Member

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    If I was in AZ I would still get a cc permit so I can cc in other states.
     
  14. GeneJr

    GeneJr New Member

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    Right. But doesn't mean i can go to any state and cc?
     
  15. orangello

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  16. 007BondJamesBond007

    007BondJamesBond007 New Member

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    I knew that I didn't want to list all the Free States.
     
  17. GeneJr

    GeneJr New Member

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    I wasn't for sure if u could or not.
     
  18. Chandler51

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    I'll never open carry. Mainly because it increases the chances that the BG can wait 'til you're at the local convenience store, taking money outta your wallet, and then snatch your piece and take off with it.

    I do like the legality of it, as it protects you from prosecution in the case that you inadvertently expose your ccw. Some places, if your shirt accidentally rides up and people see your gun, it is brandishing.

    Thats really the only advantage I can see.

    But hey, if people want to do it, and it's legal, it's their life. But for ME anyway, actually doing it is right up there with having a "concealed carry permit badge".

    So, uh........nah.
     
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  19. partdeux

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    Indications are exactly the opposite, BG don't like people with guns because they have a tendency to use them on said BG's.
     
  20. Chandler51

    Chandler51 New Member

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    Thats not my point. If it is out in the open, it is possible for someone to take it. Especially if I'm preoccupied, with both hands engaged.

    Concealed, the BG doesn't know that I have it, so he won't be able to take it. For me, OC is not tactically sound.