Savage 10 FCP-SR: The Good and the Bad

Discussion in 'Range Report' started by JonM, Oct 1, 2011.

  1. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Traded off my springfield loaded and got a Savage 10 FCP-SR and a Marlin 1895 GBL 45-70. but this is about the savage.

    The FCP-SR comes with a 20MOA cant scope rail, accustoc, accutrigger (which i really like), and a paddle release 10 round inline detachachable box magazine. barrel is a lightweight heavy barrel. i know it seems wierd but the metal doesnt feel like a regular steel barrel. the barrel is 24" threaded 5/8-24 and is 1:10 twist.

    barrls are easily changed out by the end user with about the same skill level needed to change an AR15 barrel. s[pecial tools and headspacing gages can be purchased from savage for the job. this makes it a very long lived cheap to rebarrel bolt action rifle system.

    the scope rail was not loctited or torqued. after doing so i mounted a leupold 4.5-14x50 mk4 scope using steel leupold medium height tactical rings.

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    winds left to right 4-5mph with gusts to 8.
    temp 47 degrees
    humidity 51%
    ammo leftover 168 grn sierra bthp over 45grains w748. i didnt do a very good job case prep on this batch found out part way through loading i forgot to lock the die ring down.

    also used 147 grain fmj milsurp. i used this for a basic sight in and getting on paper. this shoot was the last of my surplus ammo.

    first up the sight in.

    below was done at 100yards after a quick bore sight. with the 147 grain it was holding decent 1.5 moa groups. my old m1a was shooting 3 inches at this distance same ammo.

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    took it out to 200 yards first two shots in this group was just me yanking the trigger. im not the best scope shooter but im working on it. next 3 were hitting right at .6 inches. i didnt bother getting an exact windage zero due to the gusty conditions.

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    my initial impressions on shooting is i absolutely LOVE this rifle!! next weekend im going to give it another go with a bit better ammo. but there is one issue with the rifle.

    the firing pin spring seems a little weak. it had some real issues setting off hard military style primers. some i had to double strike to set them off.

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    one odd thing i noted after running 20 rounds through the gun fairly quickly, the barrel was barely warm. granted the temperature was cool outside but i wasnt firing THAT slow

    im going to give savage a call next week and see if they have a slightly stronger spring i can get.

    savage is definately producing some very very accurate production rifles. when i bought my M1A the Savage 10 FCP-SR is the rifle i really wanted but it didnt exist at the time. im happy i went with this over the cz 550 ucs.

    i currently have the paperwork submitted for a Surefire FA762K suppressor and have one of their muzzlebrake adapters on order. reports on both of these to follow when they arrive or get approved by the batfe.
     
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  2. Texgunner

    Texgunner New Member

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    That is one sweet rifle. Now I want one. :D
     

  3. JonM

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    thanks :) its a very good rifle. the rings shown arent the leupold rings i put on it before shooting.

    i like the stock but im not crazy about the color. digicam brown isnt my thing but its only offered with that stock :( im prolly gonna end up having the stock duracoated a different color.
     
  4. aperturemike

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    I Recently purchased this same rifle and scoped it with a Falcon Menace FFP 4-14x44. I was hoping to get it zeroed but the weather has been bad and too windy, so will have to wait until it warms up. Attached is a photo
     

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  5. JonM

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    Congrats!! they are damn fine rifles. Be sure to blue loctite and torque down the integral scope base it doesnt come properly mounted from the factory. The firing pins are also sometimes set too shallow to reliably ignite harder primers.

    Since this post ive swapped out the leupold for a nightforce nxs front focal 14x scope with .25 moa adjustments

    I also learned it wasnt the spring but too shallow firing pin. Since thefiring pin is adjustable its a fairly easy fix.
     
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  6. thejudge913

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    Hey guys I am new to this website and to this gun I ordered a savage 10fcp-sr today!!!! And I am so excited to get it !!! and as always when I get it I will post pictures reviews and etc.....
     
  7. aperturemike

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    I changed scopes on this rifle to a Leupold 8-25x50 and the link to see this rifle with the new scope is: www.michelldixon.com/images/Savage308.jpg

    And this is a link to a 10 shot group at 100 yards from the prone postion using HSM 178 grain match ammo.

    www.michelldixon.com/images/308target.jpg

    I know there is a way to post the pics without the link, but I forgot what it is...sorry.

    The target photo is upside down and the shot group was about 3 inches low at 100 yards which means it should be dead on at 300 yards. I'm very happy with this rifle.
     
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  8. JonM

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    since i made that post i totally disassembled mine remounted the barrel re-headspaced it put on a new barrel nut properly torqued everything down (savage had mine extremely over torqued. new bolt.

    im getting right at 1.5 inch 10 shot groups at 300yds with sierra 168 matchkings. hornady 175's are coming in at 3 inch groups at 300yds for the same bullets your using.

    here is mine as it sits now. im running a nightforce nxs F1 with a surefire fa762k suppressor

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    3 shot group with sierra 168 matchkings 300yds

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  9. Misneac

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    Savage 10 FCP- SR

    I just picked one of these rifles up today with a nikon m308 scope on it for $700 and a couple of AR mags. It looks brandy new; I mean the mag well isn't even scratched up. Question tho: does anyone know if these take the same mags as the ruger gun site .308, and also where is the best price on mags for this rifle? I have the STD 10rd box, but I'd like to get a couple more and also a flush 4 rounder for deer season. Any help is much appreciated.
     
  10. JonM

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    they are the same as the metal ruger mags. the plastic ones will not work with the savage. accurate mag is the maker of these. http://store.accurate-mag.com/308winchester762x51mmboxmagazine.aspx

    they are NOT cheap by any stretch. you can get 5 round mags so if your restricted to 4 you will need to still make a block from a chunk of wood. prolly best to just do that with the 10 rounder instead of buying a 5.
     
  11. Misneac

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    I appreciate the info. I live in the great state of VT so I don't have to worry too much about mag capacity. I may just say the hell with it and take out the lever gun for deer next year. I haven't gotten a chance to shoot this beast yet, but just from a little "air guitar" action I can tell right off I don't want to haul this around on a stalk hunt. I hate acting like the idiot noob, and I did do as much home work as I could before the deal but I took a leap of faith because I like Savage, and for $700 I can't do too bad since it has a decent scope. Are there any particular issues/problems that are common to this model?
     
  12. JonM

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    I find it to be a lightweight rifle despite it's length.

    All you need for a round limiter for hunting is a block of wood that fits inside the spring. Most states limit capacity for hunting.

    Biggest issue with savages and most factory rifles is different torque on the front and rear action screws. Having uneven or different torque values can have as much as 2 moa affect on accuracy.
     
  13. John_Deer

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    You are dead on there. I made a kit similar to the Volquartsen Bedding System for a Ruger 10/22 for my Marlin XT-22MR. Before I installed the bedding I was hitting a 2" target every shot without fail at 100 yards. I had to reset the scope even though I used the same torque settings. The gun is back on target now.

    The mud is going to have to dry out before I can shoot the gun enough to see if the bedding is an improvement. I was wearing a path in my pasture before I got the scope set.
     
  14. JonM

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    almost three years later ive finally got the savage 10 fcpsr to function correctly.

    after all the hell ive been through getting this to run and the complete lack of support from savage i dont think i can recommend their products.

    problems:
    1. bent firing pin assembly
    2. overtorqued barrel nut and action screws
    3. burr in the chamber
    4. short chamber

    number 1 3 and 4 were the worse problems as they caused malfunctions jams locking the action solid and severe extraction issues. the overtorqued barrel nut caused extreme accuracy issues.

    ive talked about 1 and 2 in previous posts. it was number three and 4 that has been a persistant problem. the chamber is too short that when headspaced the neck of a case trimmed to saami 2.800 would flow into the rifling and sometimes lock the bolt solid so it took a hammer to pound it open.

    i finally figured out from closely examining cases there was a burr hanging up causing some sticky extractions. the stuck bolt problem persisted after lapping out the burr.

    so i sharpied a case that was known to stick measured 2.800 and rifling marks transfered to the case...

    my fix was to head space it on the go bolt closed make witness marks then headspace on nogo bolt closed make another witness mark. i then rotated the barrel out until the go minimum was half way between go and nogo.

    we tested it this afternoon and the wife is ecstatic as its feeding extracting and shooting well. however it has gone from a half moa rifle to right at 1 moa from todays groupings.

    she is happy with it so all im going to do now is re-time her surefire muzzlebrake for the suppressor so it will shoot correctly with the suppressor off.

    if she didnt like this rifle i would have sold it years ago
     
  15. Txhillbilly

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    Jon,I understand your disgust with Savage,but a simple fix would've been just having the chamber reamed by a local gunsmith. It sure wouldn't cost much,and the rifle would've been fixed long ago.

    I gave up on anyone's customer service years ago,and will just take matters in my own hands to get it fixed. It's usually cheaper in the long run,and a hell of a lot less headaches.
     
  16. JonM

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    it took a long time to even figure out what the problem was as it was seemingly intermittent. i didnt work on it every day trying to figure it out. it was only two weeks ago when i realized what it could be and then confirmed.

    reaming it is still on the table and i prefer, at this point, to diy when i can. im also pretty much done with cs for pretty much any product.
     
  17. JonM

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    what really ticked me off was the savage rep telling me the fail to fire was me pulling the trigger wrong...

    if your building ground up the savage system is pretty good. i just would never buy a pre-built rifle from them. i would source the barrel other than savage built.
     
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  18. Txhillbilly

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    They are really good about telling people with an Accutrigger that,and sometimes they are right about it,but I know that wasn't your problem.

    My Savage 10 FCP-308,12 FLVSS-223 have always been excellent rifles from the factory. The only one that gave me fits was my 110 FLP-25/06,and the barrel on that rifle shouldn't have ever gotten past any QC person. But I knew since I ordered a rifle that hadn't been produced in a couple years,that if I returned it to get rebarreled,the next one would probably be just as bad with tooling marks in the bore. So,I just took it on myself and got it to shoot excellent after hand lapping,and fire lapping the barrel.

    I'm glad you figured out what the problem was,and you will get it all up to par for your wife before too long.
     
  19. JonM

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    she was shooting right at 1inch 100yards yesterday in a rainstorm near 100% humidity. im trying to convince her to let me have the barrel cutback to 20" so she can shoot more before it heats up too much and be more easy for her to use in the brush with the suppressor on it.

    she gave me a horrified look when i told her that cutting the barrel meant chopping off 4"...
     
  20. bradam

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    Are you going to Duracoat the rifle yourself? I am going to do a couple rifles myself but am still in the research phase.