Sarge and the wannabe Rambo's

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by sarge_257, Nov 27, 2010.

  1. sarge_257

    sarge_257 New Member

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    Have you ever pulled a good one on some of these wannabe rambos at the range. You know the type, they show up with black swat team clothes and boots. They have holsters and ammo belts criscrossing their torso. And sacks of loaded magazines. Oh yes they are wearing either a helmet with face shield or a beret. And they would like for you to think they are real police or some black op guys. Well every once in a while Sarge runs across some of these big boys playing cops and robbers and he just can't resist making them look foolish.
    This time Sarge was up in Alaska at the Briarwood range east of Ankorage and was trying out a new black powder pistol. A Italian made 3rd generation Dragoon, in 44 cal. Well he was having problems with it. That was expected considering that the temperture as 16 deg. Not good weather to try to light off Pyrodex. (will try FFF Black powder next time) But anyway over a couple benches were three boom bang boom bangady bang bang shooters. They had full size human torso targets only 21 ft. from the firing line. And believe it or not they were missing it and the shots that did hit were shotgun patterns with the snow at the base of the targets taking most of the hits.
    When Sarges cap and ball revolver would not go off. (very frequently) they would hoot and holler. Finally when everyone was down checking targets Sarge was looking at their targets.
    Said he, "Your problem is you can't shoot fast enough to hit, you need to shoot faster. LOL
    It was obvious they didn't approve of Sarge's sense of humor and challenged him to hit the targets with one of their MODERN guns. (they didn't look at Sarge's target but in spite of the problems he was having, he actually had a pretty good group at 25 yards (not 21 ft.) So Sarge smiled and asked "what kind of a gun is this?" (It was a Springfield XD in 9mmL and Sarge knew exactly what it was.) And what is this little doo-hicky on the trigger? What is this sticking out of the handle and other questions a non-gun person or an old foggy would ask. After explaining all the parts of the gun they finally asked Sarge if he would like to shoot the XD ?
    "Gee thanks fellows, I would love to, how do you load this contraption?" Heh Heh They quickly produced a couple of magazines already loaded and showed Sarge how to put them in the hole under the gun. Sarge proceeded to wipe out the X ring of the target. (MAN it was only 7 yards away!!) The three of them blinked and then closed their mouths and took a deep breath. One of them said, "Yeah that is pretty easy to shoot, not much recoil. Here try this 45 auto, it is a real gun. You got to be an expert to hit anything with it. "Really?" Sarge replied. "And what is this gun?" Sarge innocently asked of the Colt 1911A1 that he was holding in his hand. They explained that it was a 45 auto and they kick real hard, as much as a 44 mag, they said. And it is real hard to hit anything with it.
    "REALLY!" Sarge replied. "Do you put the bullets down in here like the other one?" Sarge let them load the magazine and then moving to another target that had no holes in the black (lots of holes all around it) he wiped out the X ring on that one too. One of the three began to figure maybe they had just been set up, but the other two just said, "That is amazing, you are a natural shooter. You should get into competition."
    Sarge chuckled and said," I spent 18 yrs on the Army Pistol Team shooting 45 autos and I am tired of competition. I just shoot for fun now. It takes more than just shooting and wearing cool black clothes to hit the target every time. You need to take a good pistol course by a professional shooter.
    Sarge thanked them for letting him shoot their guns and strolled away.
    Sarge

    11/27/2010
     
  2. Neophyte1

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    range ''rambo's''

    Sir; you just nailed the coffin; as to ''why'' I have issues at range practice.
    me aint smart enough to be afraid of a 'hell'of'a'lot''
    me is smart enough to know when real danger is 'a'float

    More than once; I back away, while standing behind something hahaha I watch, look n listen; while saying my little prayer {no one is to get hurt today prayer}

    it is easier; to load my little bit of mess and go; ''compared to them digging more lead outta my corpse" :eek:

    My being the average shooter; wondering ''what the hell'' just happened hahaha:) aint good fun hahaha:)
     

  3. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Great story. I haven't seen that type of shooter yet. I have only been to a range a handful of times so far, though.

    But when I went to visit my friend in California and we went to an outdoor range we brought an Uzi to the range. I had only shot a gun one other time about 10 years ago. My friend shot the Uzi for a while then offered it to me. I shot several rounds then the young man shooting to our left came to look at the Uzi. My friend offered to let the guy shoot and and the young man was so excited. He shot about 5 rounds or so and didn't hit any targets. (We were shooting at metal targets.) I took the gun back, my friend filled the magazine and gave it to me again. I shot at the target at the far left at 35 yards and I hit the target, moved to the second target and got that one, too. This went on for 5 targets in a row until I missed. My friend was behind me laughing. When I laid the gun on the bench I asked him what was so funny. He said not only was that pretty good shooting for such a newbie but he said "Way to go to embarrass that guy." I told him it wasn't my intention to embarrass anyone at all and how did I embarrass him? Friend said "He just shot this gun and couldn't hit a thing then you hit 5 targets in a row." Later that afternoon I hit a 10" target at 100 yards with an SKS. I was hooked, hooked, hooked. Oh, yeah, the SKS had a spike bayonet on it, too, but friend wouldn't let me use it on anything. Otherwise I would have been one of those Wannabe Rambos.
     
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  4. sarge_257

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    Some times I get these mischievious thoughts in my mind and I try to teach young wannabes a lesson. In this case if they had not cat called and hurrahed me about my black powder pistol I would have just went over and gave them some good lessons on shooting pistols. Hoping to get their expertise up to the point that they were not a danger to themselves or others. But the devil came over me and well you know.
     
  5. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Yep, I do know. :D
     
  6. sarge_257

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    That little Uzi is a nice fun little carbine. We have one and my son just loves it. I let my neighbor and his son shoot it one time and they were both thrilled. I have a lot of carbines that shoot pistol cartridges and they are fun to shoot.
    Sarge
     
  7. winds-of-change

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    When I was first getting to know this friend and he mentioned he had an Uzi, I thought.....:eek:. I knew nothing about guns and thought he had an illegal gun. Then when he explained to me it's a semi-auto and meets certain criteria and he owned it before the ban in Cali so it got grandfathered in. He knew it would be fun and easy for this newbie to shoot. He also brought the SKS to the range as the Viet Nam war was the war of my era and though I love all veterans, the Viet Nam vets hold a very special place in my heart. Though this friend and I don't talk that much anymore I sure do appreciate him changing my point of view about guns. Truly, I thought they were "killing machines" last year. He taught me they are only dangerous in the hands of dangerous and careless people, just like a car or a kitchen knife. We email each other now and then but don't keep in touch like we used to. I appreciate the new hobby he introduced me to. He recommended to me that my first gun should be a GP100 if it fit my hand. It appears to have been a good suggestion for me. My learning continues..........
     
  8. c3shooter

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    Just as a little background- ever play darts? You know- tossing them little spiky things at the target? Feeling good that you hit the target and not the wall? Now go look up the word plumbata.

    The plumb part is from the Latin for lead. Iron barbed head darts with a lead weight to increase the range. Used by the Roman army. Hell of a note to be standing on a bit of ground with 200 of those dropping out of the sky.

    Point of the disjointed ramble? A lot of things CAN be or HAVE been used as a killing machine. Does not mean that you can't enjoy a friendly game of darts to see who buys the next round, or a day at the shooting range.
     
  9. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    C3, believe me, I have been educated. I was terribly misinformed and now I have changed my point of view. Obviously I have since I have bought a gun of my own. My friend explained to me patiently and kindly the error of my thinking. I just didn't know any better and I was uninformed. The example you used is along the lines of all the examples he used.
     
  10. sarge_257

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    I guess I was lucky. As a young boy growing up on a farm my Dad taught me all about tools and how to safetly use them. I had my own tractor at the age of 12 yrs and also my own rifle. I was taught that tools can be misused and be dangerous or they can be used safely, the right way and feed your family or keep your vehicles running. We had guns on the farm. One in the barn, one in the back porch behind the door and one on each tractor. They were tools that we used to keep varmints from taking our food, or hurting our livestock.
    When I joined the Army and they gave me guns and ammo to shoot I was in hog heaven. And my love of and desire to collect guns was fueled. That was over 200 guns ago. I was also lucky that I married a woman that was not scared of guns and enjoyed shooting them with me. So you know how I raised my kids too.
    Sarge
     
  11. Charger Fan

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    Sarge, that is one awesome story!:D haha!
    I sure wish I was there to witness that one, I would have been laughing for weeks.
     
  12. Badshot320

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    Sarge I think it must be the same jackasses that always shoot up our target frames on the rifle range. Nothing more aggravating then have to rebuild target frames the day before a match because the Tacticool black clad special OPs guys cant hit a 3ft by 2ft piece of card board with their uber killing machines. Not trying to sound elitist by any means but my old 50 cal Hawken holds better groups at 100 yds then most of these Tacticool uber elite weapons of today do. You cant buy experience or knowledge thats been handed down.
     
  13. sarge_257

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    I believe that badshot, I have one of the early Thompson Center Hawkens and it is as good as any iron sighted Mauser at 100 yrds. Maybe better than some.
    Sarge
     
  14. IDVague

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    Great story. I was laughing all the way through that one:p It reminded me of something from about 7 years ago that happened to me. I bought a new house and moved in the weekend after Labor Day 2003. It was a great place with only one visible neighbor, but they were only about 50 yards to the side of my property. To the rear of both of us was about 200 feet to the tree line and a small creek 40 feet beyond that. The other side of the creek bank started a steep slope up about 20 feet. It was an ideal background for shooting and well outside of any jurisdiction to prevent it.

    The first two weeks after moving in had been really hectic and I had not had occasion to meet my neighbors, or to let them know I would be doing some shooting out back. The third weekend, I was out on the back deck and I noticed a figure in the edge of the woods behind the neighbors. It was a man in camo coveralls and he was just crossing the creek (okay, stream...about 3" of water except after a heavy rain). About that time I noticed an unfamiliar object behind him. It was black and round and appeared to be suspended from a tree limb. It also appeared to be less than a foot in diameter. Then I saw another man on the deck to my right, at the back of my neighbor's house. He was also in camo coveralls and closely inspecting a black powder rifle. I look at the distance from him and the black object which I now assume is a potential target and wonder where they are planning on shooting from. In any event, I figured I was in for a good show, so I settled into a chair and propped my feet up on the rail.

    After a good 15 minutes, the two guys start to sight in the target and I think, surely they are not going to try that shot from the deck. Of course not, I decide and wait to see what happens next. A couple of minutes later one guy pulls a chair over to the rail and takes aim while his buddy put on his hearing protection. I'm incredulous by now and ready to watch and secretly laugh as they make futile attempts at the target. To my great surprise, I hear the BOOM of the rifle followed by the distinct PING of lead striking steel. Actually, I found out later it was iron, cast iron to be exact. The target was a 10" skillet on a wire. I know I had to look silly standing there with my lower jaw on the floor. They both took a few shots at the skillet and hit it way more times than they missed.

    I found out later that the lay of the land brought the distance a little closer than I first thought, as the creek got closer to the other house as it moved that way, and the other house was set back a little farther than mine. Still, it was impressive to me, maybe especially because I have little experience with black powder weapons. In any event, the two guys I had first thought to be comic relief for an afternoon turned out to be two pretty nice shots and true gun enthusiasts. We were good neighbors for over 4 years and I never had to worry about complaints when I decided to empty a magazine into an unsuspecting target. :)
     
  15. Bigdog57

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    We get those funny "Tacticool" guys at our public range on occasion. Lots of tactical bags full of GI-look-a-like weapons, loaded magazines, and they like wearing digital camo nowadays. Usually have a lot of holes all over the targets.... :D
    One of them asked me once why I shoot so little on each target? Just had the center chewed up..... I told him "That is 20 shots right there."
    His jaw dropped. And I am NOT a competition level shooter - I just insist on shooting halfway decent goups instead of patterns. :rolleyes:

    Had a deer-hunter neighbor once showing me his brand-spanking new .357 Magnum revolver. He begins to aim on a stump in his yard, about to shoot - I stopped him real quick,pointing out that MY house was just beyond his 'target'!
    I taught him a very good lesson about "making sure of what's BEHIND where you shoot!" :eek: I told him if he did it again, I'd be returning fire!
     
  16. jpattersonnh

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    I hate to say it, but I know a few guys that wear camo's and black tactical get-ups. I shoot w/ a good friend a few times a year. We are accompanied by his nephews, in-laws, and brother at times. They always are all dolled up. Looks like a wanna be fashion show. One guy in particular, We will call him Chico is kinda funny. He bought a Glock in .357Sig. One outing he asked if I would like to try it, this is after he was chuckling at the fact my P6 only held 8 rounds and is 9mm. I proceeded to outshoot him w/ his gun. I then stated it was a good thing he had high capacity mags, he needed them. :rolleyes:
    He also brought his new Bushmaster carbine. He was really low at 100 yards w/ an 8/3 rear sight setting, so I opened my range bag and pulled out a front sight wrench. He was very skeptical and nervous about adjusting his front sight. He only had 20 rounds of ammo, so again I reached into my bag of tricks and pulled out some LC M193 ammo. 5 shots he was dead on. It is amazing how many people have no idea what makes there firearm tick. They just load up some cartridges and bang away. Guess they like to make noise.
     
  17. sarge_257

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    Shooting the pan

    Having lived on a farm until I was 15 yrs old I really felt sorry we moved to the big city. But luck was with me and our landlord (who lived up stairs from our house) was a missionary but not the ordinary missionary. He had spent many years in Africa and Austrailia and recognized the need for firearms. He built us (my sister and me) a range in the basement out of very heavy hard wood planks. It was more than enough to stop our .22 shorts we all shot in those days. Sis and I shot every weekend down in the basement and she would invite new boy friends down to shoot and then make them look like novices. We were both good shots and we would impress our friends by shooting a dime off a nail with out hitting the nail. Some of her boyfriends stopped dating her after that but others would hang around but never put their hands where they shouldn't be (you better believe it)
    Sarge
     
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    Good read. Fortunate for me I shoot at a remote are close to my home. Only once have I ran into someone that came strait out of a Sylvester Stallone movie. I just packed up and left. Too dangerous sticking around and I really didn't feel like driving this a-hole to the hospital once he shot his own foot.
     
  19. c3shooter

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    If the Rambozos get to be too irritating, I usually have my granddaughter outshoot them. The Anarchist-in-training can usually do a VERY rapid fire 1 inch group at 50 yards with a semi, or sub MOA at 100 with a slow fire bolt gun. Getting your butt soundly kicked by a tiny little girl that will not be old enough to drive for a few years does have this LOVELY way of making them wilt. :rolleyes: She has gotten big enough to sit on the seat and use the benchrest- when she started, I would sit her on top of the benchrest, and let her shoot sitting. My 1911 is too big for her hands, but she can hold her own with a Ruger Mk III.
     
  20. sarge_257

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    Oh Yes C3, that is the ultimate put down. My Grand daughter is an excellent shot too, and she is only 4'-8" tall, but is 25 yrs. old. Looks like a little grade school girl but has her brown belt in Karate or what ever they call it now a days.
    I try to tell the idiots that they need some help by a professional but they think the faster they shoot the better it is. I hope they are the bad guys that I come up against someday. It would give me an excellent chance for survival and to win a medal.
    Sarge