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Anyone have a Saiga 12 or Saiga 20?

How is it at cycling and feeding? Is it very reliable or does it jam up a lot? Would you buy it again?

Do you have any 10 round mags or drums for it? How well do they function?
 

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Saiga 12 cycles fast. Up to AK reliability standards. The only way I have found to jam it up is to slip a 16 ga round into the mag. FT Fire. FT extract. Immediate action drill caused next round (12 ga) to force 16 ga shell into barrel and lock everything up. Dowel got it out. Major league squib rod.
 

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Jesus Robo, you are bigger than I thought. I knew you were a cop, but still. I'm going to have to agree with your posts more often now. :p
 

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Saiga 12 cycles fast. Up to AK reliability standards. The only way I have found to jam it up is to slip a 16 ga round into the mag. FT Fire. FT extract. Immediate action drill caused next round (12 ga) to force 16 ga shell into barrel and lock everything up. Dowel got it out. Major league squib rod.
Is yours an Izmash or RAA Saiga?
 

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Izmash. That is a 14" bbl w/4" breaching device welded on. As you can see from the pic, there are 2 in the air and the breech is locked for the third shot.
You can find the 10 rounders for less (at least you could before the election). I paid about $20 for my 10 rounders.

For a standard Saiga expect to pay abt $500. More for one that has been converted with the trigger group forward.
 

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Oh, and how did a 16 ga round get mixed in? I have no clue. I don't even own a 16 ga. I remember a time when all shotgun ammo was color coded. Red for 12 ga, Purple for 16 ga and yellow for 20 ga. 410 was hard to mix up.

Now there are red 16 ga rounds that can easily be confused with 12 ga. Especially as my arms seem to be getting shorter in my old age and focusing on headstamps is difficult w/o reading glasses.
 

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Izmash. That is a 14" bbl w/4" breaching device welded on. As you can see from the pic, there are 2 in the air and the breech is locked for the third shot.
You can find the 10 rounders for less (at least you could before the election). I paid about $20 for my 10 rounders.

For a standard Saiga expect to pay abt $500. More for one that has been converted with the trigger group forward.
I've read that the RAAs are less reliable than the Izmash originals. Do you have any problems with the bolt closing over and your 10 round mags? Have your used you breaching device, if so , how much scatter did you get from it?
 

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Not sure what you mean about the "bolt closing" issue. Inserting a loaded mag with the bolt closed is difficult but not impossible. Perhaps a better explanation would be to call it tricky.

Have not used the breacher in its designed role but it does act as a flash hider and overall intimidating addition.
 

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Not sure what you mean about the "bolt closing" issue. Inserting a loaded mag with the bolt closed is difficult but not impossible. Perhaps a better explanation would be to call it tricky.

Have not used the breacher in its designed role but it does act as a flash hider and overall intimidating addition.
Many report problems with being able to insert a full 10 rounder with the bolt closed.
 

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My friend just bought one of these and we took it to the range two weeks ago. After getting some lube into it, the feeding and cycling went perfect. Was sticky just for the first few rounds before we noticed how dry it was. Clip kinda goes in funny and have to work it to lock in. Kicks like hell. Reliable...very much so. Seems to be a great home defense weapon. They were going for $600 or more here in Saint Louis. Didnt see ANY even close to $500. One guy had a used one for $700. Obama effect.
 

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im about to buy one of these as my semi shotgun.

its mainly the pistol grip and instant fullmag reloading.

These are cheap as chips here thanks to our open trading with china and the russians.

I mean, its designed fromt he ground up to be used in desert combat, so i'm not expecting anything i can (legally) throw at them to muck it up.

we have a saying here in NZ "If it isn't broken, shoot it again"
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Izmash and RAA the same Saiga's?
Izmash being the factory where their built and RRA being the company that imports them.
 

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Oh, and how did a 16 ga round get mixed in? I have no clue. I don't even own a 16 ga. I remember a time when all shotgun ammo was color coded. Red for 12 ga, Purple for 16 ga and yellow for 20 ga. 410 was hard to mix up.

Now there are red 16 ga rounds that can easily be confused with 12 ga. Especially as my arms seem to be getting shorter in my old age and focusing on headstamps is difficult w/o reading glasses.
Welcome to the "reading glasses" club... an elite group of short-arms w/big guns.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Izmash and RAA the same Saiga's?
Izmash being the factory where their built and RRA being the company that imports them.
Yeah, they are all built in one place, though they can potentially be imported by many companies. RAA is the only current importer to the USA that I'm aware of.
 
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