Safety discussion with children

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by capnklump, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. capnklump

    capnklump New Member

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    Hey guys, if I can I would like to tap into some knowledge & wisdom from some of you more senior members who've been around the block a time or two. Currently I have two firearms in my home for protection(both pistols). I have discussed with my wife that the guns are a "last resort", as we have a very good monitored security system installed. Living in our home is my wife, my 7 year old daughter, & myself. Our families policy concerning firearms is that SAFETY is paramount to EVERYTHING else!! As we all know, you never get a second chance to take back a tradgedy. My question herein lies with my daughter. I need some suggestions on how to speak with my daughter about firearms safety. I personally do not think it's very wise to just never talk to her about the guns, and just always be "hiding" them from her, lest her curiosity & inquisitive nature get the best of her. I think she needs to know what they are capable of & what they are for. I do not yet have a gun safe, but that is among my TOP priorities to obtain,

    Thank you in advance for your suggestions.
     
  2. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I keep my revolver in a Gun Vault next to my bed. It works by both key and keypad entry. The keys are in a lock box at the bank so now it is operable by keypad only. My gun is never out of the box unless I'm with it. My children are all grown and gone but I do have a 4 year old granddaughter that comes to my house very often. Personally, I would never keep a loaded gun "hidden" somewhere with a child in the house. In my opinion, THAT'S how accidents happen. Definitely talk to her about guns and that she should never touch one without you being present with her but I think first and foremost don't leave that possibility of an accident waiting to happen. I just think a child coming across a 'hidden' gun is going to investigate it. My Gun Vault has 4 buttons that you push in a pattern, no numbers assigned to the buttons so you can open it in the dark. And I have practiced opening it a lot until I got good at it without seeing the keys. When the right pattern is pushed, the door flies open quickly. You don't have to manually open the door. I have a friend who lives in a very large house and he has guns all over throughout his house. Each one is in a locked Gun Vault.
     
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  3. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    This is how "top priority" the safety of my granddaughter was to me. I didn't even buy ammunition for my gun until I HAD a Gun Vault. In my opinion, a loaded gun in a house with a child is an accident waiting to happen.
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    With our kids- and now grandkids- there is an age below which you are NOT going to effectively communicate. Varies with kids, but averages around 6-8. Short attention span thing (like some of the folks that post here :rolleyes:)

    Below that age, the ONLY reliable thing is to physcially secure the weapon. If you do not have a safe, here is a link to Harbor Freight- Search results for: 'safe' They have a bedside fingertip digital ttype for $120. Cant afford that- small digital combo steel safe for $30. Can't afford that- get a cable type bicycle lock. Yes, cheap Chinese chit- some us may only be able to AFFORD cheap Chinese chit right now.

    Old enough that you are no longer attempting to communicate with an alien species? By all means, DO talk with them- but do not make it into the talk of the century (that will come when she starts dating- trust me). Always told our kids if you want to see one, ask, I'll stop what I am doing, we can look together, but that is Mommy and Daddy's, and not for little people. Same thing goes for sharp knives in the kitchen, and my ripsaw in the shop.

    When they get old enuff, take them shooting. Old enough, again, varies. DO remember that you have possibility of visitors, your kid's friends, etc.
     
  5. RairWeatherSmok

    RairWeatherSmok New Member

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    A long time ago -

    when my kids were 6 or 7, in a different time and place (40 years ago) I took them out with my .410 shotgun got them close enough to hit an melon and let each one fire at it.

    1) It kicked which they weren't prepared for

    2) Blew a hole in the melon and chunks all over them

    3) Since I had their attention we had the don't point at what you don't intend to kill, every gun is always loaded - always. Etc. Back then I only had a .22 semi & the shotgun. But they never touched it and weren't inquisitive about it.
     
  6. Glasshartt

    Glasshartt New Member

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    Get with your local PD, Sheriff's Department, or school district, see if anyone in your area teach the Eddie Eagle Program. It is a good start for the younger ones until you feel that they are mature enough to take to the range.
     
  7. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    +10 on the Eddie Eagle Program!!

    I would add....Take her shooting. Demonstrate the destructive power of a firearm. Emphasize that they aren't toys. Insure she knows how to use the weapon in the event she has to defend herself.

    Be safe, safe, safe!
     
  8. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    I don't really remember my Dad giving me much discussion on the topic of shooting safety. The main thing i remember is that the first thing i shot with my first firearm was alive before i shot it and dead after; even at age 6, that made the point pretty well.
     
  9. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Eddie Eagle= good. + 1000. When I was a youngster, would go along w/ pop hunting. Bird flies up, BANG, bird hits ground, fetch the bird (we could not afford a me AND a retriever)- you make the connection pretty quick- as well as admiring the old man as a pretty good wing shot-

    BTW- not selling their stuff for them, but anyone going the Harbor Freight route, any issue of American Rifleman or Popular Science has a coupon in there for 20% off any one item in the store.
     
  10. hunter Joe

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    I've been teaching hunter safety to kids for nearly 16 years. Most of these kids come from families with hunting backgrounds and been around firearms most of their short lives. There is so much more than telling a child "don't touch" as they need to be taught safe firearm handling practices.

    I find that teaching firearm safety to children under age of nine is problematic as their attention span usually goes out the window in a matter of heartbeats. Again, the exception is the kids that grown up in a hunting families as some of these children have been shooting from a very early age. The curiosity factor does not come into play often with these children as it would in non hunting/shooting families.

    Lock the firearms away until your daughter is mentally mature enough to realize how dangerous firearms actually can be. As you don't have a safe you can use trigger locks. When you think she is ready, get her in a safety program and take her shooting. Good Luck.
     
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  11. CourtJester

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    Your daughter is a little old to do what I did with each of my boys when they started getting big and I haven't read each post up here but I will make a suggestion (maybe already posted); What I did with my little ones when they started walking was show them the gun, tell them no, leave it in the living room (unloaded of course), and then run in like a viral drill serergent the second they touched it. I did that a few times until I could leave it out a month later and they didn't even get close to it.

    But... The first time I took them to the range (which I would suggest to you) was take a few warm cans of soda to the gange, shook the bajeseus out of them when they weren't looking, set them up, and shot them. Then I walked them down field and showed them the can and explained to them that a head, chest, or back would look the exact same way if shot. But I got totally into it and grabbed their head, back, and chest when I talked about it. Let them know the damage that can be down with one and then fill them in on the legal outcome of using a gun wrong. Talk about the dead person's family, jail, everything. We sat at the range for an hour before the second shot ever came out of the gun and every person there shook my hand and their hand before I left.

    Scare the **** out of here but make sure she knows how to use it properly.
     
  12. FreedomFighter69

    FreedomFighter69 New Member

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    I explained everything to my son when he was 8 yrs old. I showed him the firearms, taught him how they worked, then took him to the woods with a few gallon jugs filled with dyed water. I stood behind him while securing his hands with my 44 mag loaded with 44 specials. He aimed and shot a jug, red water all over the place. He then wanted to try by himself, I let him. After he blew away the jug on his own he placed the gun down and said I don't want to ever play with that, it's scary. I then loaded it with full house 44 mag loads and I shot it, it scared the crap out of him when he heard it and saw the jug explode upon impact. He has an utter respect for firearms that experienced adults have at this point. He also has a 22 rifle, a Henry lever action carbine with an 18 inch barrel and large loop lever. He shoots it, he cleans it, he's safe with it, he respects it ! I feel better that I educated him about firearms instead of him learning the hard way out of curiosity. This method isn't for everyone however.