Safes, Used firearms, and questions. Oh my.

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by Noodle, Feb 26, 2011.

  1. Noodle

    Noodle New Member

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    1.) So I've been looking at various safes and seem to keep being drawn back to the GunVault biometric series. From many of the reviews these seem to be great safes for handguns and other small valuables. However the consensus seems to be that they aren't as reliable as they claim for battery life. What would be some other good options. I would like a safe that doesn't need a key that can be found and used easily.

    2.) I have narrowed down my first handgun to either the Glock 19 Gen4, XD or XDm, possibly thinking the Walther P99 last in the list. I really wanted to go with a Sig P229 however the Glock 19 or XD's are more in my price range.

    I don't have a ton of options around here locally to purchase other than a few small shops and one big box store being Scheels (read: BassProShops, Cabela's, Dicks Sporting Goods, etc) The Scheels store here is about $75 - $100 cheaper on average for new items but what should I look for if I am considering used options at these different stores?

    Sorry for the long post but am trying to fit as much as I can into one post at a time instead of a bunch of little ones.
     
  2. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I am a newbie to guns so I can't help you much but I do have a small Gun Vault that uses touch pads and a key. I put my key in the lock box at the bank so it won't be found lying around the house by anyone. My Gun Vault has a warning beep when the batteries are getting low, which isn't very often.
     

  3. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I can't really help on the handgun vault question.

    I can help a bit with the pistol question. As a new shooter, you may feel more confident with the XD because it has a grip safety.

    The Glock 19 is an excellent pistol as well and as long as you keep your finger off the trigger, you will be fine.

    As far as the Walther P99, I'm not a fan and would advise you to stay away from it. This is strictly an opinion from handling and selling them when I used to work at a gun shop. I have never fired one, so this is based strictly on observation.

    I had a 3rd gen. Glock 19 that I liked quite a bit. My buddy bought it from me and he has thousands of rounds through it and I don't think he's ever cleaned it. It just runs and runs.

    So, between the Glock and the XD, pick the one that you just like more and that feels the best to handle and then practice with it until it feels like your best friend.
     
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  4. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I have the Gun Vault with the four push puttons on the top. It has a key. But it is a key like pop machines use. I think it would be very difficult to pick. I have it bolted under the driver seat of my K5 Blazer. It seems like a good safe. I have never had any problem with it. I am able to open it without looking. Again it is under my seat. I can not see the buttons. I would recomend it.
     
  5. M14sRock

    M14sRock New Member

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    Hi Noodle.

    I was intrigued by the Biometric Gun Safes a few years ago.

    At SHOT, I stopped to talk to a major safe maker and asked if they had a biometric version. He said "No", and then we walked to a well know company who had one on display. He proceeded to lick his thumb and "smear" it across the glass display, and the safe opened up. The biometric ready was easily confused.

    That convinced me that I did not want one. Maybe they have improved the technology since then, though.
     
  6. Cnynrat

    Cnynrat New Member

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    You might take a look at the Titan Gun Vault if you are interested in a quick access safe for a handgun that isn't dependent on batteries.

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    I'm not sure I'm as worried about the battery going bad as I am about EMP rendering safes with electronic locks inoperable. Perhaps my tin foil hat is on a little too tight though. ;)
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I can help with the gun vault question as I have had one for about five years. I have never changed the battery once. Stuck the battery that came with the unit in it on day one and haven't looked back. :confused:

    Perhaps I should change it for G.P., but it's never failed.

    Now the gun vault is FAR from being a secure unit. You can open it in about 30 seconds with a screwdriver and a need, so it is basically to keep kids out and honest folks honest.

    Maybe you buy one and hide it from plain view, and that helps. Maybe it makes you feel a little better, which is worth it in my mind.

    The unit is reliable and keeps kids out. If you want more than that, you need to think about upping your cost range.

    JD
     
  8. Noodle

    Noodle New Member

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    This is deffinately some good info all. I am deffinately going to have to give the handgun safe issue a better look.

    I was initially looking to maily have a safe that I can use now for basic storage and then will also be fine during the younger years of kids or nieces wandering about the house. I guess for now something with a key will be fine but I was hopeing to just be able to get a good solid safe for now without having to worry about upgrading it down the road right away.
     
  9. FAS1

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    There are many choices out there for you to safely store your handgun and have it readily available when needed. Some people like electronics and technology while others prefer to keep it simple. Biometrics range from very inexpensive units to ones that are too costly for the gun box market. Apparently the quality of those go hand in hand as well. The better quality ones have much fewer failure to read incidents but are very costly.
    My personal choice is the mechanical pushbutton lock. It can be opened by feel only and doesn't require and electronics. We decided to build a box that is stronger than most to try to deter a thief a little as well as kids. Ours is made of 3/16" (7 ga) steel. We also mount the gun to the underside of the door and use a gas strut to spring and hold the door open to present the gun to you.
    You also need to consider where you will keep it and how to attach it to something that can't be moved easily. Mine is attached to my bed frame, but it can be mounted horizontally as well.
    All things for you to consider what will work best for you. Good luck in your search.

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  10. group17

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    What does selling and handling have to do with a review of the Walther P99's performance?

    I own a P99c / AS triggered version and it has been totally reliable and accurate. Having a flush decocker built into the slide is a bonus over the glock and the AS trigger has a better feel than the Glock IMO. Both great weapons.

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  11. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    group17, did you read what I actually wrote? Did you read this: "I have never fired one, so this is based strictly on observation."

    We get feedback from owners of various firearms as well. I based my opinion on "observation".
     
  12. group17

    group17 New Member

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    CA357, Yes I did read it.

    I never fired a xd so I wouldn't give an opinion on one even though I have fondled one at my LGD.
    The OP is asking for experience about his listed weapons. Glock and Walther I have experience with.

    You never shot one but tell him not to buy one on your "observation"? You also don't list your "observations". I don't want him to pass on what has been for me a great weapon. Thats all.
     
  13. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Did you get that from a Trojan commercial?
     
  14. Noodle

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    Lol, funny. So as not to start another whole thread I'm leaning towards the Stack-On PS-514 This should work well to keep out the neices and nephews if they happen to be snooping around during a visit. I'm not needing anything for quick HD access currently.

    I went to another local outdoor shop today and funny thing was that both the Glock 19 Gen4 and XDm 3.8" were about $50 cheaper than the local Scheels here. $559 and $599 respectively.

    Now both felt fine in my hand with the XDm being a bit top heavy but from what I've been reading this is "fixed" when a full mag is in place.

    The Glock however was a little tough working the slide stop lever for me. It seemed like it was smaller and more flush than the XDm.

    When I stopped at my local Scheels two of the salespeople mentioned how much better the XD's are than the Glocks because they are much safer. I take much of this with a grain of salt seeing as a firearm is ultimately only as safe as the user.

    So I just can't decide really. Any place I purchase around here I will have 30 days to test out since we don't have any stores with test ranges in them or near by.

    Maybe you guys can help and please correct me if I'm wrong. The Glock Gen4 seems to have the better firing spring, larger accessory and aftermarket support, comes with 3 15 round plastic/poly mags, basic cleaning kit. Stock sights aren't very good.

    XDm has the match barrel, 2 19 round metal magazines or 1 19 and 1 13, speed loader, paddle holster, good stock sights.

    It seems to really be coming down to the accessories it comes with almost. Both are basically the same length and height. Since this will be used primarily as a range gun it really doesn't matter so much the mag capacity for stopping a BG.

    On one hand I do like the idea of the XDm being able to basically convert between a Compact and Sub-Compact pretty easily if I were to decide to carry. However I really don't see the need for a paddle holster if I'm just going to be at the range.

    Why does your first always have to be the hardest decision. :)
     
  15. CA357

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    My aplologies to Noodle, this has turned into a threadjack.

    I haven't fired the Walther, I also never "fondled" one. However, I have field stripped them and compared them to the other mentioned pistols and spoken with several owners.

    I'm glad you like yours and I'm glad it works for you. You made your point. My observations are my observations and were stated as such. Get over it.
     
  16. Noodle

    Noodle New Member

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    No apologies needed to me I understand what you are saying.

    Also does anyone know anything good or bad about the Taurus 24/7 they are on sale for $350 at a local dealer. Even though I'm leaning hard towards a Glock or XD due to solid reliability I never really gave others much thought.
     
  17. kdog

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    Here in germany gun vaults are mandatory by law.
    Such minivaults like you are allowed to have would never meet the standards we have to fullfill for keeping firearms in our homes.
    I go a bit over the top on the ammo, since I keep that in a seprate vault aswell (seperate storage ist mandatory aswell, but a steel cabinet is enough for the ammo), but I got the second vault for free at work, so I use it for my ammo.

    Here are two pics....
     

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