SA1911 FTF last round, various mags

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by fixxer, Nov 14, 2010.

  1. fixxer

    fixxer New Member

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    Hopefully someone can help me with this. I'm breaking in a newer Springfield SA1911 SS Mil-Spec Loaded. About 400 rounds through it. FWIW, it IS feeding a little better as I break it in. That might be due to the fact that I have different ammo too (Win. white box ball ammo). I like this pistol. Not my CCW but definitely one I will not be parting with from my collection. Maybe future CCW? Maybe! Anyway, I am down to the "home stretch" in breaking this thing in IAW most break in doctrines. I took it out and shot 100 rounds through it again yesterday. It started FTF on the last round of numerous mags. All told, I have 5mags. 2 SA std, 2 Chip McCormick and 1 Hi capacity primium mag(forget the brand on that one). I would eject the spent case, and jam the last round at the base of the throat on the ramp. Did this numerous times after about 30 rounds. I would eject the round, drop and reload the mag with the same round and it would feed it then. I am sure they didn't all occur on he same mag since I was cycling through all 5 at a time. I could not see any dimples or hang-ups on the ramp. Once and only once, it did actually jam the round into the throat without the extractor carrying it, which ment the slide was locked open and the extractor was resting on the back side of the round. I cleaned it up tonight and found no evidence of extractor damage. My current plan is to keep cleaning it up and taking it back to the range until it I break it in, I break it or it breaks me. Any thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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  2. oldman45

    oldman45 New Member

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    My guess, based on the info you provided, is the springs in the magazines. Take a marker with you to the range. Load all mags with the same ammo, type, grain etc (out of the same box) and then shoot normally. With each FTF, note the mag with a marker.

    Reload all mags and do it over again. Each failure is noted on the mag. I bet the same couple of mags will be the culprit. Since it is the last round, I feel the springs will be weak.

    NOW: Why would you not want to carry the .45acp as a CCW? I carry a full size S&W 1911 PC concealed all day, every day, 7 days a week. Over the last 30+ yrs, I have carried a S&W model 66, model 686, Glock 19 and Glock 22. The 1911 is the best I have ever carried in terms of comfort, wear on clothes, car upholstery, accuracy and dependability. It takes only 3-4 days to get accustomed to carrying it but it takes longer than that to get used to a different car, different wife or assignment.
     

  3. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Take a good look at the slide lock (really "slide release"). I've seen that same FTF on SA's before. Chances are good that the same mags would work correctly in another 1911.

    See if the slide release is trying to come up too early.
     
  4. fixxer

    fixxer New Member

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    Thanks guys,
    I'll definitely check out both these possibilities. I'll mark up the mags the day after tomorrow when I get back out to the range.
    DAN_FL: Tomorrow morning I'll run some snap caps through it and see if the slide release is engaging early. Would this be the easiest way to spot this problem?
    OLDMAN45:As far as using it for the CCW; When she feeds a few hundred rounds without flaws, I'm all for it. I'm not adverse to carrying something that handles this effective of a round with so little effort for sure. When I get this 1911 up to 100% reliable, I think a call to Milt Sparks and Trijicon will soon follow. I first ordered it as more of a target/home def. peice but I could see this thing phasing out my G19, PPS, SP101, etc. Honestly, none of my other guns feel as good as this thing does with Pachmayer style grips. I don't know how well it would ride ITW but I can see your point.
    Thanks,
    Fixxer
     
  5. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    It's a good try. I hope that is it.
     
  6. fixxer

    fixxer New Member

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    Yep, caught it happening.

    Dan_FL, I'm gonna send you a PM. It mostly cleared up today but I did get 1 FTF. This time it actually locked the slide open and left the round floating around inside the feed. Looks like it may have happened 2 times since there was an unshot "mystery round" on the bench after I finished a mag full of ammo.
     
  7. danf_fl

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  8. culdee

    culdee New Member

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    ftf

    I have had similar problems with McCormick 8 rd mags in my Kimber. If I only load 7 rds it doesn't do it. I think the springs in the mag are so soft to allow an added round that it causes the FTF on the last round when the spring tension is very low. IMHO Definitely mark the mags like mentioned above.
     
  9. chucksolo69

    chucksolo69 New Member

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    I have a Springfield GI .45 that did the EXACT same thing no matter what magazine I used. I used every type of mag from surplus GI to high end Chip McCormak mags and all did the same thing, the gun refused to chamber the last round from ANY magazine regardless of the number of rounds used. I could load 2 or 7 rounds, it didn't matter, the last round failed to chamber. I sent the gun back to SA and they received it on Monday and I got the gun back on Friday. They polished the feed ramp, throated the barrel, and replaced the extractor. The gun has functioned flawlessly ever since. Send the gun back to SA, they pay shipping both ways and the gun is fixed free of charge. Excellent customer service.
     
  10. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Plus 1 on SA service. :cool:
     
  11. NGIB

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    Just an FYI but McCormick mags are far from high end. I use them myself as range mags but they aren't near the quality of Wilson or Tripp...
     
  12. chucksolo69

    chucksolo69 New Member

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    Well, at 30 bucks a mag, CM mags are far from low end. My point is though, you guys need to quit thinking AND advising that it is usually the magazine that is at fault. Sometimes, the gun needs to go back. I took the magazine advice first and wasted 2-3 weeks mucking around with various magazines when the gun should have just been sent back to begin with.
     
  13. JonM

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    9 out of 10 issues with firearms ftf its either a bad magazine (which is most often the case) or limp wristing. you were just that #10. sometimes guns just need a little love they didnt get before being shipped. no one here has your gun in hand. if i had it i woulda tried various mags which i have on hand and i know work on various 1911's. i dont think ive ever paid more than 15$ for a 1911 mag. the majority of my 1911 mags have been knocking around since ww2.

    my point is the folks that gave ya the advice about mags were on the right track since that is most often the case. my last resort is always in sending a gun back to the manufacturer for repair. glad ya got it fixed.
     
  14. Doc3402

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    Disclaimer: If the firearm is under warranty I would not do any work on it or let anyone else touch it. Send it back.

    I had a Kimber Pro Crimson Carry II that did the same thing. Look at the face of the slide in the firing pin bushing area for rough spots or just a rough texture. The last round in a magazine presents at a different angle than all the other rounds, and just a little bit of roughness on that flat surface can cause the round to hang.
     
  15. chucksolo69

    chucksolo69 New Member

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    Exactly Doc3402. The way I figure it, if you try 5 or 6 different mags and the problem still persists, it's gotta be something other than the magazine. If that's the case, buying magazines that cost a lot of money won't matter. Send the darn thing back!!!!