SA missfire?

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by AsmelEduardo, Jan 10, 2009.

  1. AsmelEduardo

    AsmelEduardo New Member

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    In a CQB situation, what to do if you have a single action semiauto and is a missfire? try cock and shoot again? put the next round in chamber? why?
     
  2. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Ensure your magazine is fully seated.
    Pull back on the slide, observing the ejected shell/round and chamber.
    Release the slide and resume firing.
     

  3. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Well, ideally in a CQB "Assault" situation, you wouldn't be breaching with ANY pistol unless you were holding the shield for the other assaulters to operate behind.

    But, in interest of the question asked, you have to assume a missfire is one of two things immediately:

    1) The round in question

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    2) assume the weapon is the problem, in which case doing anything else with it is pointless.

    Ideally you would know your pistol and would know if something was wrong, know that it will always feed your ammo, that it will always go bang and therefore the missfire is the round in question.

    In that case, I was taught in Combat Focus to draw the weapon back to High Chest Center and with my off hand, rack the slide, with the off hand over the top of the slide, to clear the round and chamber the new round.

    With the weapon at High Chest Center you have your elbows out, which allows for more control of the weapon and allows you to move without running into anything.

    The same process is used for an empty reload, though you try to never shoot a weapon dry, or you perform the same action with a tactical or "hot" reload without the charging of the slide.

    Then you press out from High Chest Center and back on target.

    I can highly recommend reading Rob Pincus' book Combat Focus and watching the videos that he has made and put out online.

    Hope that helps -

    JD
     
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  4. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    The term CQB gets tossed around a lot these days, and means little, even to those who use it.

    Remedial action is a safety measure and should be one of the first things learned.
     
  5. AsmelEduardo

    AsmelEduardo New Member

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    Assuming that is round's fault....

    Assuming that is round's fault, let me explain... some brand of ammo have hard primers (usually surplus ammo) as other reloaded ammo that sell the range, in the Star 9mm of my father they misfire sometimes but you cock and shoot again and most of the times it fires... obvius that he don't use these ammo for self defence, only at the range, but you never knows.... It's just to know what to do, in case of...
     
  6. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Remedial action. Rack the slide, watch what happens, get back to firing.
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    100% agreed. DO NOT, under any circumstances, assume that the round in question will go bang the next time. 100% of the next round firing is better than 50% chance of this one firing on the second striking...

    JD
     
  8. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I know that my weapons will function properly 100% of the time. I've had ammo fail on many occasions.
     
  9. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Isn't the accepted distance of CQB 4 meters or ~ 12.5 ft?

    We shoot CQB and 2 x CQB at 12.5 and 25 feet down here.

    cane

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  10. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Immediate action drill is to Tap (the mag up to insure it is seated properly), Rack (the slide to the rear and release to chamber a fresh round) and get back on target.

    If you get "click" again, time to exit stage left as quickly as possible (unless you have a back up weapon available).
     
  11. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Tap, Rack, and Roll. TAP the mag to insure it if fully seated. RACK the slide fully to rear, and hold it back. ROLL the weapon towards the ejection port to insure that an extracted round gets dumped out. THEN release the slide, aim, pull trigger, rejoice at loud noise.
     
  12. Bighead

    Bighead New Member

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    In a self-defense shooting, if you have a failure you want to put the gun back into working order as quickly as possible. I am not going to bet that a round of ammunition which has already let me down once might come through for me on the second try.

    My training was to TAP hard on the bottom of the magazine to make sure it is properly seated, RACK the slide smartly to the rear in an attempt to clear the malfunction (ammo in this case), and READY to assess threats (it used to be TAP, RACK, BANG which I liked the sound of better. I'm sure some lawyer somewhere made them change it).

    Another thing to consider is that in the heat & stress of battle you might not immediately realize what the problem is other than the gun is not firing. It may be a feed malfunction such as a stove piped casing instead of a bad round of ammo. The malfunction clearance will fix either problem.