SA 1911 NM series? N series?

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by EMTchad, Jul 23, 2011.

  1. EMTchad

    EMTchad New Member

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    Hi everyone, wondering if someone very knowledgable with the springfield 1911 can answer this question. what is the real difference between the NM serial number and N serial number? I am hearing that the N series is half assembled in brazil and other half in the US. and NM Is all American?
     
  2. JonM

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    N means 50% or more of the finish work was done in the imbrel plant in brazil and will have two made in brazil stamps on the frame. more than 50% done in geneso il its NM. all frames come from brazil. they are some of the finest frames and highly prized as base frames for match grade custom pistols. the steel used by the imbrel plant is extremely high quality.

    it doesnt matter if you get a N or NM its a damn fine gun and a close and i mean very close second to colt 1911s.

    all guns whether N or NM go through the geneso plant for final finishing.

    SA has been doing this since day one quality has never gotten worse or had fluctuations, unlike kimber. they have never claimed 100% made in usa or denied where the frames are created. if you have a SA 1911 you purchased a gun that is easily worth twice what you paid for quality wise.

    personally i would take a SA 1911 any day of the week over a ruger sr1911 or anything kimber produces
     
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  3. EMTchad

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    Thank you so much for that! Helped me alot. I have 3 more days until I get my brand new sa 1911 loaded parkerized. It's brand new but there are small chips on the bottom of the cocobolo grip and small steel scratches on the bottom of the gun in the front area.. :(
     
  4. danf_fl

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    Those could be from it being a display model and others handling it. When you get it, clean it, lube it, and take it to the range. With the first mag, DO NOT load more that 2 rounds in the mag. If there is some internal damage, you don't want it to come as a surprise.
     
  5. rigjumpr

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    Why the Kimberly hate? I've had nothing but favorable experiences. What left the bad taste ?
     
  6. EMTchad

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    Thanks Dan!! So after 2 rounds, if there Is no problem how many then? And also what kind of surprises can happen? The gun seemed to be in good condition since it's new.
     
  7. JonM

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    Simply my opinion. You dont have to agree with my evaluation.

    Its just the way kimber does business. I remember when kimber first appeared on the scene. They had hired a number of relly top notch 1911 gunsmiths to make their first few guns. These guns went out to all the gun rags at the time for evaluation.

    They were all hand fitted top notch pieces as were all theproduction guns for.the first year or so. They sold them at a heavy loss just to establish a reputation. Soon after kimber changed their proccess switched to cheaper methods almost no real fitting was done and have pretty much been on a roller coaster cycle since then.

    Its one of those companies that slinks by living off an initial reputation and only does enough to get by.

    The reason i dont like kimber is you are paying the price of a sa or colt for the production qaulity of a taurus or rossi.

    Im not saying they dont work just that for the price you can get a way better gun elsewhere.
     
  8. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I have purchased display models that have been abused by store employees and customers. The way the firearm gets mistreated by "knowledgable" people is amazing.
    One firearm I had purchased "doubled" the first time I took it to the range. I had to replace the sear, sear spring, hammer, and disconnector to get it to shoot correctly.

    After it does okay with 2 rounds, then go to 3, then 4. If it does okay, then try "double taps" with 4 rounds.

    Congrats on your purchase.
     
  9. rigjumpr

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    Jon, don't get me wrong I was just wanting your reason behind the statement, too meny times people express their"opinions " and pass it off as fact. Got ta love the Internet.
     
  10. EMTchad

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    A display model? Well all the guns are on display and they said they are brand new. So I'm assuming I'm buying a display model too.am I getting ripped off?
     
  11. danf_fl

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    Not necessarily.
    I've been in a shop where the clerk had this thing of allowing the slide of a 1911 to slam forward without a round in the chamber (never let the slide slam forward when you are in a store.)
    He showed me the display model and demonstrated his move, I immediately asked for one from the back. He brought it out, and again, demonstrated his move. I then asked for another from the back. Frustrated with me, he brought the manager over to find out what "problem" I had. I patiently explained to the manager the clerk's "move" and why it should never be done.

    Bottom line, I purchased the third firearm, the clerk got reprimanded, and some guns went on sale at a lower price than originally asked.
     
  12. JonM

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    no worries :) its just my opinion. ive owned kimber 1911 in the past and the quality compaired to my less expensive sa 1911a1 just wasnt there. had issues with it kimber customer service didnt want to fix. it had a hard time feeding hp and fmj. prolly needed a throat job but i wasnt about to sin more money into it.

    when i see folks at the range having 1911 problems its usually a kimber.

    its a mileage may vary thing. most people love their kimbers and dont have issues. nothing wrong with that.
     
  13. EMTchad

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    Wow Dan, that's pretty awesome. How come u should not slam the slide at a store? I never had done it at the store but I wouldnt know if it has been done previously or not. They only had one in stock and that's the one I bought
     
  14. danf_fl

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    On the range and in safe conditions, loading a round, the casing helps to slow down the slide and avoid slamming the sear and hammer. Imagine a car without airbags and what happens to people in an accident. Imagine the shell casing as the airbag.

    When shooting a 1911, the slide picks up a casing from the mag. In the store, there is no mag.
     
  15. EMTchad

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    You are super knowledgable sir. Thank you very much for all these infos. I ordered a 3 pack Wilson combat elite mags silver coated, not stai less steel so it cost me a fortune. I am hearing they are top notch quality and u get what u pay for. Is this true regarding the mags?
     
  16. danf_fl

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    You can buy a Bentley or a Chevy Truck. The Chevy truck can be (and is) more valuable at some things than the Bentley.

    Quality mags are a must. You do get what you pay for most of the time. I personally do not know how silver coating improves the quality, but if they function correctly all the time, you're good to go.
     
  17. EMTchad

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    Thanks Dan. I hope my expensive mags work well lol!
     
  18. SoupNazi

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    Nice :) I just bought a SA 1911 mil-spec this past weekend - good to hear that i did good :)
     
  19. JonM

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    i turned my milspec a1 into a dedicated 460 rowland. altho i am severely tempted to two gun OC a bit in november when our conceal carry goes in effect...

    late 80s early 90s they used to be harder to get cuz all the custom 45 builders were snapping up the raw frames from the imbrel plant in brazil to build race guns and competition guns due to the quality of the steel and quality of the workmanship.
     
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  20. EMTchad

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    So does that mean I did good by purchasing a SA 1911 parkerized loaded. :)