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Hi Everyone,

I'm new to this forum and have been looking to purchase my first gun. My father and grandfather own many firearms so I have some experience with several different makes and caliber guns.

I was instantly drawn to the S&W 1911 (see attached) but I've noticed that S&W doesn't seem to get much love around here. :D

Why would I want say a Colt or Kimber over the S&W1911?

I was leaning toward the Desert Tan for the shorter barrel and lighter weight, but a little worried about the durability of the finish compared to SS.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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...and just to put this in perspective my alternate "1st piece" could be the Beretta PX4 Storm 40 14rd. Less expensive and seems like good first handgun.

I don't know :confused:
 

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Well, first off, Welcome to the Forum.

Now, when it comes to sidearms, in my opinion and those that know better ( wait for the backlash on that one :cool: ) there is the 1911, and then there are a bunch of other things WISHING they were 1911's.

The 1911 is the pistol that all other pistols wish they could be. Bottom Line. End of story.

The S & W you seem to be looking at includes a Crimson Trace Laser grip, which is a complete waste of money in my opinion. That said, you have to be pricing it at, what, around $1,200? Maybe $1,100 if you know someone, or a store near you has one for a cash out price?

For that money, there are better 1911's to be had - Namely the Kimber line of entry 1911's that are a better, dollar for dollar, pistol than S & W.

There is nothing wrong with the S&W package. However, I don't believe they come standard with Match Grade Barrels. That may not be the case with all their pistols, their website is misleading. If I am wrong, someone will definitely correct me, one of the great things about the guys here, they love to prove me wrong. :D

The S&W does have a full length guide rod, which makes field stripping a bit of a pain, but most will have you believe that it leads to better accuracy. I don't personally agree, but everyone has their opinion.

If you like the S & W, then try it out at a range near you and see if it fits you. If you like it even further, get it. No one, on this forum, or anywhere else, knows what will work for you better than you do...

Good luck and please update with your final selection....along with a range report.

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Thanks Dillinger!

Yeah I know the Crimson Trace grips area bit of a gimmick but I thought it was a cool "gadget".

I went to the Kimber website and I like the SS Pro Carry II .45.

You mentioned the Match Grade Barrels. Is there anything else about the Kimber that would be considered an upgrade from the S&W?

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Thanks Dillinger!

Yeah I know the Crimson Trace grips area bit of a gimmick but I thought it was a cool "gadget".

I went to the Kimber website and I like the SS Pro Carry II .45.

You mentioned the Match Grade Barrels. Is there anything else about the Kimber that would be considered an upgrade from the S&W?

Thanks.
As much as I hate to complement Kimber, it has the JMB
designed extractor.

If your going to spend Kimber money do yourself a favor and go buy the 'real thing', get the Colt and be happy!
 

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I actually bought into the Crimson Trace deal awhile ago, like 10-12 years ago. I put one on my Sig P228 and actually carried it that way for well over a year. One day I was at the range, and I was practicing with the laser, just in case, and my range companion happened to mention some of the greatest wisdom I have ever heard:

Me: Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang - Rounds on target

Nick B: You know, that's cute and all, but you DO REALIZE that damn thing points TWO ways don't you?

Me: Bang, huh? What? No, it's not that easy, you see when I put this red dot on you, you go ny-night.... *fumbling badly at trying to justify my purchase*

Nick B: Yeah, and as soon as you turn that hi tech toy on, every bad guy on the block knows EXACTLY where you are, and what angle you are shooting from. Good idea....

Nick taught me a lot of things about weapons - and he also introduced me to the platform that is the 1911.....

Kimber's fit and finish is just a bit better, in my opinion. I don't know about the warranty versus warranty - but I have personally owned three Kimbers, I still have two of them, and I have never had any problems with them.

I have shot the Smith's, and they are nice, but I prefer the Kimbers because, well, I am a 1911 snob and I love good, well polished, well built handguns. Which is why I also have three Nighthawks. :p

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You know, that's cute and all, but you DO REALIZE that damn thing points TWO ways don't you?
Yep, it's called follow back! :eek:

I am a 1911 snob and I love good, well polished, well built handguns. Which is why I also have three Nighthawks.
You had me with well built ...then you had to go and f**k it up with that Prada sh1t name dropin'!
 

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You had me with well built ...then you had to go and f**k it up with that Prada sh1t name dropin'!
God damn if you don't make me laugh you old grumpy bastard. If I get down to Florida I am going to buy you a bottle of your favorite Bourbon, and punch you in the mouth.


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I had a S&W 1911 with the factory laser grips and then made the mistake of letting my best friend shoot it,he wouldn't let me have it back,had to sell it to him and he's a Colt guy. I have shot alot of 1911's and the S&W is right up there with the best of the factory guns. None are perfect,and all need to be tweaked with the normal trigger job and other perks that go with a 1911. I will say that out of the box I was really impressed with the S&W,but the laser grips are really a waste of money,they just came with it and were fun to play with at the indoor range. Springfield,Kimber,Para Ordnance,S&W,and Colt all make good 1911's it just depends on your taste,and how much you want to spend.
 

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God damn if you don't make me laugh you old grumpy bastard. If I get down to Florida I am going to buy you a bottle of your favorite Bourbon, and punch you in the mouth.


JD
Not with the Bourbon?!?! :eek:
 

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I had a S&W 1911 with the factory laser grips and then made the mistake of letting my best friend shoot it,he wouldn't let me have it back,had to sell it to him and he's a Colt guy. I have shot alot of 1911's and the S&W is right up there with the best of the factory guns. None are perfect,and all need to be tweaked with the normal trigger job and other perks that go with a 1911. I will say that out of the box I was really impressed with the S&W,but the laser grips are really a waste of money,they just came with it and were fun to play with at the indoor range. Springfield,Kimber,Para Ordnance,S&W,and Colt all make good 1911's it just depends on your taste,and how much you want to spend.
Thanks everyone for the input.

When you say they all need to be tweaked with the normal trigger job and other perks, does that include the Kimber?

How much does the trigger job run and what does it do for you?

What other "perks" would I want to do?
 

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As much as I hate to complement Kimber, it has the JMB
designed extractor.

If your going to spend Kimber money do yourself a favor and go buy the 'real thing', get the Colt and be happy!
Hi Canbrake, I haven't been hanging out in this forum for long but somehow I knew you were gonna suggest the Colt. :D





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Thanks everyone for the input.

When you say they all need to be tweaked with the normal trigger job and other perks, does that include the Kimber?

How much does the trigger job run and what does it do for you?

What other "perks" would I want to do?
I would disagree slightly with Tx in that not every 1911 needs to be tweaked. You get what you pay for. If you get a custom gun, it comes with a perfect trigger. I got a Kimber Custom II, and it needed a trigger job. I got a Raptor II from Kimber's Pro Shop and the trigger was damn near perfect, as was the rest of the gun.

None of my Nighthawk's needed trigger jobs - take that Cane! LOL

A trigger job is essentially taking up the "creep" on the front end of the trigger and takes out the over travel before it resets. A good "street trigger" or carry style trigger job should run less than $50. It's not hard and they should give you a 5 pull average with a trigger guage to make sure you are getting your monies worth.

I like mine around the 2# to 2.5# pull. Just enough to let you know you are consciously pulling the trigger, but not so long as to let the pistol wander off target from the shock of adrenaline that will dump into your system the minute you have to actually use the damn thing. :D

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What I meant was most factory guns not custom guns need to have a trigger job. The high end factory guns usually have had this done as part of the factory upgrade,but your run of the mill stock factory gun could use a trigger job.
 
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