Russian M44 cal. 7.62x54mm?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by nick500ss, Sep 3, 2008.

  1. nick500ss

    nick500ss New Member

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    I have aquired an old russian rifle that I know nothing about. It is in good condition and has origional bayonet. Does anybody know anything about this rifle? Possible value? When it was used?

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  2. Gestapo Hunter

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    looks like a Mosin-Nagant its a pretty old rifle used during both world wars. its suppose to be a very accurate rifle
     

  3. c3shooter

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    Can't see pics with the browser on THIS computer- but if yours is marked M44, has a side folding bayonet, well, started issuing those in late 1943. There should be a date of manufacture stamped on there. Fairly popular milsurp carbine, can be decent shooters depending on the bore. surplusrifle.com has some good info. A number of these have hit the surplus market after a factory rebuild, and are wholesaling for under $100. One WITHOUT importer's markings would be worth a bit more. The WW I/ WW II rifle was the Moisin-Nagant 91-30 (long rifle, detachable bayonet) followed by the M38 (short rifle, NO bayonet) and then the M44 (short rifle, side folder spike bayonet) all in 7.62x54R aka 7.62 Russian. Help any?
     
  4. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Popular, simple, inexpensive to own and shoot. Decently accurate but kick like a mule on PCP and set the dry grass on fire with their muzzle blast.

    Late WWII production. Used for the last 2 years of the war. Largely replaced by the SKS in late 1945.

    7.62 X 54R is the longest serving caliber in world history. Still used by Russians in MG's and sniping platforms.
     
  5. dragunovsks

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    Yes it's pretty accurate. I once hit a one gallon paint can at work at a range of about 450 yards just as you have it, no scope, just good ole iron sights. I don't know what you paid for your's but I got mine for about $90, they were still packed in Russian small arms crate and I picked out the one with the smoothest action and best looking bore and stock. I've had mine for about a year and a half now.

    If you haven't shot it, DON'T SHOOT IT WITHOUT HEARING PROTECTION, it seems stupid to some people that I would have to tell another shooter that but when I bought mine I didn't think about it and had never fired a rifle of that caliber before. I had my SKS but it never bothered me, this round is whole different puppy. Shoot it once and it causes your ears to ring, shoot it anymore than that and it feels like someone is punching your ears. Very painful.

    Also stay away from bulgarian ammo, I bought 300 rounds of it a few months back and I have a lot of split cases and some of the cases make it difficult to pull the bolt from the chamber. If possible stick with russian ammo, it's a little (not much) more expensive but the reliability is worth the money.

    Actually I had to turn around and look at my gun cabinet to make sure I had'nt been robbed cause that rifle looks exactly like mine. I mean EXACTLY like mine, same color even.
     
  6. flbandit

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    I just saw a few similar at a shop the other day. He also had a full crate of another Russian model he said was from 1920. It was a bit longer than yours, but they were in great shape (He said they were never issued) He wanted $129.99 for them. I just might have to pick one up.
     
  7. dragunovsks

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    If it was longer than this one it was the Mosin-Nagant 91/30, I think that's the numbers. Anyway the M44 is a "carbine" rifle, but they fire the same round. They're actually the same rifle but the 91/30 just has a longer barrel, for when you have to reach out there and "touch" something.

    Also, this round is known as a rimmed round. "7.62x54R", the "R" means that the case is rimmed, kinda the way a .22 LR case is rimmed. They look slightly different than a regular non-rimmed round such as the AK/SKS round, the 7.62x39.

    I just thought I should add that to save you some confusion later at the gunstore when you go to get ammo, if you haven't already.
     
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  8. Laufer

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    Nick500ss:

    Your 44 looks really good.
    The 7.62x54R round has supposedly been in use longer than any other caliber, and the 91/30 and 44 rifles have been in military use for decades, along with the SKS.

    On a road trip to visit my brother in Evansville a few weeks ago, I called about ten gun stores enroute, simply to find another (second) really good 44.
    It seemed more logical to have two Mosins.
    But no more visits to a Gander Mountain for a gun, with their intro price of $99 for a MN 44, directly up to $150. But the Mgr. was willing to come down to $130.
     
  9. ava8harrierusmc1

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    M44 Rifle

    I bought one about 8 years ago i love that rifle but yours looks like it's brand new not you want to take the bolt off and look down the barrel and look at the bore look what you are looking for is called the rifling grooves i could be wrong on that name but if the are nice and deep to where you can see a defferance in barrel meaning it not just a smooth barrel sort of like when you look at your car tires the tread should be nict and deep it's the same thing basiclly. If it nice and deep then you have yourself a fine shooting rifle. you can hit anything out to about 700 yards if i'm correct. also you want to get as much ammo as possible it's Oct 2009 right now this time last year ammo for that rifle was 469.00 for 400 rounds it's now $150.00 but i'm sure you can find a deal so stock up on ammo and please keep it it's great and fun rifle to own. there is a guy who sells bolts that bend so you don't have to buy the kit i'll look up his email address and send it tpo you because you don't wantr to but the kit where you have to cut the bolt and then put back on with a screw if you want to add a scope. Good luck
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  10. User Name

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    I have one also, it was used in WWII. It is very powerfull pretty acurate and kicks pretty hard. Great rifle though. Only valued at anywhere from 95-125 if its russian though. The only ones that are worth anything are the ones that are from finland. They are valued at just over 300 I beleive.
     
  11. Highpower

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    "Help any?"

    c3shooter: This is the reason I like visiting this site. Replies like this, that have good (and correct) information that is freely shared with newcomers that have questions about their new acquisitions. Taking the time to give someone the straight scoop and a bit of education along the way seems to be a recurring theme of yours. Bravo Sir.
    (I put a little something in your balance column to hopefully help keep you around awhile.) :p

    To the OP: That is a fine looking M44 indeed. I have a few of them myself, and as others have already posted - they WILL let you know when you have touched off a round. :D

    One thing I would suggest - is that you pick up an inexpensive Mosin Nagant "bolt tool" for maintaining your rifle. They can be obtained from several sources, and I feel they are a good thing to have on hand when reassembling the bolt from your rifle after a good cleaning. The surplusrifle.com web site mentioned above will give information on this as well. Enjoy your "new" Russian!
     
  12. gunboy

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    great gun

    It is a Mosin Nagant and looks like a M44 Soviet Carbine witch dates near about 1944, to tell closer look for markings on the bolt
     
  13. jpattersonnh

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    The M44 was accepted in 1944, The Winter war between the Soviets and Finns was over in 1941. A pic of the receiver will give you all the info you need.
     
  14. jbshoots

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    every time i see one of these threads about moisons it makes me want one. i saw one two weeks ago at a gun show for 75 that was in good shape, and i'm still kicking myself for not getting it, but at the time ammo was all the budget would allow.....
     
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    Yes the M44 is a WWII-Era Carbine version of the M91/30 Mosin-Nagant. I own one myself and i think its a great gun. Makes a ton of noise and kicks like a mule, but thats a WWII rifle for ya. Those are great shooters because ammo is generally cheap (7.62x54R). As fas as accuracy goes, I can't tell you much, I haven't recorded any shooting groups or anything of that sort. Overall a reliable weapon that will destroy anything you put in front of it. :)
     
  17. willfully armed

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    I just picked up an m44 for my brother for 125. Came with the ammo pouch and cleaning kit.

    The barrel looked pretty nasty when I bought it. After and hour and numerous patches down the bore. The barrel is bright and shiny, looks damn near new. Picked up a 440rd romanian spam can for $80.

    He loves it.

    I have a 1903A3 sporter and a Yugo M48.
     
  18. Pastor Marcos

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    Help!

    Gentlemen,
    I have an M44 very similar to the one in the photo. I bought it about 4 years ago, and shot it a few times It has a Soviet hammer and sickle stamped on it.
    I've had trouble with the gun jamming. It seems like it jams when it's hot. I was told it may be due to cosmoline, so I scrubbed the heck out of it. This last Saturday I shot it again and have the same problem. I can't get the bolt back after firing it. I used a rubber mallet to pound the bolt back and get the old shell out. So I fired it about 6 times, and each time it was the same thing. I really don't want the rubber hammer to be a standard accessory for my gun.

    A friend from church suggested there may be a pressure problem. ?????

    Any advice from y'all would be nice.

    :)
     
  19. c3shooter

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    Greetings, Bro. Marcos! Don't you know that the Russians issued each soldier a 2 ft length of 2x4 to beat the bolt open? ;)

    You have encountered the famous M-N Sticky Bolt Syndrome. It can be caused by a coupla things, but is SEEN in the M-N more than other rifles due to the small amount of leverage that the bolt HANDLE gives.

    The most likely, and least serious cause, is a rough chamber. It MAY be rough from poor machining (hey- there was a WAR going on, for pity's sake!) but is most likely due to dried crud on the walls of the chamber.

    An easy to try cheap fix- find a bore brush that is just a bit larger than the chamber. Make sure the rifle is unloaded. Remove bolt from rifle. Attach brush to a couple of section of cleaning rod with no handle. Chuck the rod into an electric drill. SWAB the chamber with a generous amount of your favorite bore cleaner (Hoppes #9 works fine) and let sit for 5 minutes. Slide the brush up into the chamber (not the bore, just the chamber) Hit the switch and spin the brush for 30-45 seconds. Remove, swab the bore with clean patches, and then repeat again.

    The Soviets used a product similar to Cosmoline to preserve arms in long term storage (yours has probably been stored since WW II) and it is a bear to get off, since it can harden to the consistency of nail polish. In some cases, you may need to wrap the brush in a cotton patch, and apply a thin layer of toothpaste to it, and repeat the spin/clean cycle. Toothpaste contains a fine abrasive- it would take a hour of running to remove any significant amount of metal, and is safe to use. Now, there IS a product called J-B Bore Paste made to do the same thing, but if you don't HAVE a jar of it, and DO have some toothpaste........

    And if you go over to surplusrifle.com, look up your rifle on the LEFT side, then look at the articles on the RIGHT side- you'll see one on sticky bolt. Also a good article on improving the HORRIBLE trigger pull many of these have.

    With some luck, you can put away the rubber mallet.
     
  20. Pastor Marcos

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    Thank you c3. I'm anxious to give it a try. Hopefully within the next couple of weeks.