Russian 556 steel case ammo-flash retardant

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by dan983, May 25, 2011.

  1. dan983

    dan983 New Member

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    My gun smith says the flash retardant used by ammo makers like Wolf are harmful to AR 15 gas systems. He says they employ simple calcium carbonate powder for flash and the stuff builds up harming the AR.

    Even when he sells it in his shop, it is labeled not suitable for AR 15s. I'd appreciate any thoughts on this issue.

    Thanks
     
  2. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    I'd say he's being over cautious. People have run many thousands of rounds of steel case through ARs with no problems. I use it all the time in two ARs with no problems and will continue to do so. The calcium carbonate wrinkle sounds like a rehash of the problems with powder in Vietnam.

    I'd say give it a try if you want. Most ARs run it just fine, some don't. Either way it's not going to hurt anything.
     

  3. Gloves

    Gloves New Member

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    hrm...
    there is wolf and bear ammo that i've used in my Spikes Tactical.
    nothing you couldn't clean right?
     
  4. M14sRock

    M14sRock New Member

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    I run tons of Wolf through my ARs. No issues, at all, and I run them hard.
     
  5. lancelot86

    lancelot86 New Member

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    In the Army we used to throw on blank adapters that literally plug the barrel in order to create enough back pressure to cycle the bolt. Those blank round are just gun powder and are insanely dirty. If the AR can handle that dirty BS then it an handle anything. Unless for some reason the ammo was corrosive.. then I wouldn't shoot it.
     
  6. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    True, true, old surplus 5.45x39 and 7.62x39 sure wouldn't be good for the gas tube but today's Russian steel case in .223 is not corrosive and an AR should handle it well.
     
  7. SoupNazi

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    I also have shoot Wolf ammo. Thinking of getting some Tul ammo as it is supposedly made in the same facility and is slightly cheaper (makes a difference on 1000 rounds).
     
  8. easterner123

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    Russian Made Ammo

    A lot of people bash Wolf ammo because it uses a berdan primer (has mercury) and say it will destroy your barrel. So will normal gunpowder if you don't clean it. It shoots and feeds just fine, and its a LOT cheaper if your not into reloading (I'm not yet).

    The casing isn't high quality, but they go bang. Saves a lot of money though. Would I trust it for Home Defense? Eh, no. I'd rather use American ammo, (Remington UMC for me). So if your looking for a plinking round, its good to go.

    Out of the first 90 rounds I shot of a 500 round case, I've had one misfire so far, but no failure to feeds or magazine problems.
     
  9. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Wolf .223 uses standard boxer primers. No matter I guess, it works fine whether you use it for your AR or the berdan primers for your AK.
     
  10. M14sRock

    M14sRock New Member

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    Wolf is Boxer primed, and non-corrosive. Guys have even tried reloading it to see how it does, and they report good results.
     
  11. doctherock

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    I'd say the biggest problem is the cleaning afterwards, that carbon from these is a b!tch to get off.
     
  12. M14sRock

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    A good Kroil soak overnight helps.
     
  13. mjkeat

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    I am using Tula almost exclusively at the moment. Theres guys that are very knowledgeable w/ the AR who use Wolf and Tula in high round classes w/ good results all the time.
     
  14. diggsbakes

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    Funny this came up, cause I've been doing some Tula/Wolf shooting as well lately. I've had a few dozen boxes laying around since having problems with it (so I thought) in 2 of my ARs. One was with "Scrapy" when he had a 16" barrel w/ rifle gas system (bad design) and the other was my 14.5" BCM middy and I attribute that to a mag issue and the front sight/gas block being re-installed canted by a Slouchie gunsmith (hate to even use that term for him).

    So after both/B] guns have been shooting GREAT with anything brass that I've fed them, I thought I'd take a couple hundred rounds of Wolf and Tula (both 62gr .223) to the range. "Scrapy" cycled about 100 flawlessly. Even when I alternated them in the mag there was no problems! The grouping was about 2-3x larger than typical Federal XM193, but I could still ding the 10" gong @ 100 yards most of the time.

    The gun is very fouled up, but I use quite a bit of lube, so I'm hoping a good soaking, followed a good spray of some sort will take care of it.
     
  15. mjkeat

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    Glad you wer able to fix the problems you were having.
     
  16. relichound

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    ive had nothing but bad luck with steel im my rra upper , my baby has expensive tastes and eats up brass like nothing but you put that ruskie garbage in and whammy malfunction (and yes i clean the crap out of my firearms)
     
  17. mjkeat

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    Hate to tell you but more than likely you problem is the RRA not the Russian ammo. You may want to take a look at the weight of your buffer and make sure you are lubing your rifle correctly w/ a good product.

    My LWRC, DD, Spikes, and custom builds take in a steady diet of Russian bi-metal ammo. My cleaning regiment isn't even that intense. Its usually a wipe down and a quick bore snake.
     
  18. Quentin

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    Again, I have to agree with MJ... My two ARs love the cheap stuff even though I've backed way off from that white glove military cleaning regimen my DIs taught me all those years ago. Quick & slick, that's the way I do it now and run a lot of the 20 cent stuff. Most ARs should be able to handle the cheap stuff.
     
  19. relichound

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    good point ,,, been thinking of upgrading to a hydro buffer for some time ,, might cut it down,, but regardless i still have a bad taste in my mouth after having so many malfunctions on that bi metal
     
  20. jpattersonnh

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    Mercuric primers dissapeared before WWII. The EPA would not allow those primers in the U.S. .