Rumors about Remington quality

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by texaswoodworker, Jul 28, 2013.

  1. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    Here's a question. I have noticed that there are a few people who seem to hate on Remington and any company even remotely associated with them. My question is why? Where is the basis for this hate? All my Remingtons work beautifully.

    My 700 (from 2006) works flawlessly, looks beautiful, and is really accurate. My 1911R1 is also great. The only problem I have had with it was traced back to the magazine, not the gun. It's fit and finish are also great.

    Even companies associated with Remington are putting out some really good products. Take Marlin for example. I have heard nothing but good from people who have actually owned/shot one. Unbelievably accurate for it's price range.

    So, what's up with the hate?
     
  2. deadsp0t

    deadsp0t New Member

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    Just like any other successful company..
    There are Glock haters, Kimber haters the list goes on.. Usually ppl have one bad exp and BAM the company sucks, this works both ways too. Some have one good exp and BAM best company ever.
     

  3. NC1760

    NC1760 New Member

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    Remmy..??

    Just my guess here... but I think it has to do with the backlash a LOT of people have against corperate America culture. Remmington was an independent icon of the U.S. gun industry... and now to be part of a conglomerate is pure blasphamy to some. Also, people remember what happens (ususally) to quality control when profits take the lead. Witness what happened to Harley in the 70's when giant AMF took over.
    IMHO... most of this might be just outside perception from rumor. Until I (or someone I know) have a personal bad experience... I'll just read first hand consumer and reliable magazine reviews to shape my opinions about them.
    Besides... nothing against Remmy (I still miss my 93' 1100 shotgun... but that's another story for another thread)... I consider myself a Ruger man for now.
     
  4. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Remington is like any other large company that mass produces an item. they can have some that fail quality control from time to time. they are no different than Ford Motor Company, Maytag, Dell Computers, or Zippo Lighters. in any company that mass produces, there are failures.

    i am not going to say that there haven't been problems with Remington products as that would be foolish and blind, but not near what i have seen amounts to what internet rumours or myths would have a person to believe.

    several times when these questions arise, i have asked for proof or verification, but sadly most cannot bring forth facts of evidence and many fall back to, well i read it on the internet, or i heard it from so and so source.

    personally i have seen several brands get tarred and feathered by these internet witch hunts so the speak, with Remington and now Marlin being one of recent, but also Taurus, Hi-Point and a few others. if a person has had a bad experiance with a product, then tell it truthfully and accurately an let others make a decision accordingly. but just because one person did, doesn't mean all their products are bad or inferior. case in point, i like Remington products and own quite few, such as M700's and an R1, but i refuse in any shaper of form to ever buy another M770 rifle. IMO, Remington dropped the ball big time there. but i like their other product lines just fine, like the R1, the M700's the 870's and so on.

    so anyone that wants to make a statement about some particular brand, i will be one that will ask for proof or facts to support those statements or opinions out of fairness. anyone can say anything they want on a forum or the internet, but unless backed up with facts or evidence, it lack credibility.
     
  5. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    the biggest issue with remington is it is unionized and in a state that is extremely hostile to business with exceptionally high tax rates. that makes it damn near impossible to make a profit AND produce a quality product.

    in order to make a profit they have been forced to cut corners in a lot of their product lines.

    remington is a doomed company unless they move to a right to work state with lower taxes. simple as that. their products will continue to decline with fewer and fewer quality offerings until they are closing the doors and shuttering the lights.
     
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  6. Txhillbilly

    Txhillbilly Active Member

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    When companies are sold to these big holding companies almost always the first thing to fall off is the quality of each companies products. The parent company big wig's are only interested in profit margins of each sub-companies output of products,and look at anyway they can cut corners to increase their profits.
    This means less hand-fitting components,and bigger clearance margins on those components,as well as cheaper materials in which the parts are made from.

    I have nothing against Remington or any other brand of firearms.But,if you look at any brand of firearm that was made several decades ago,and compare it with an identical model type that is made presently,you will see how cheap the guns are made today.
    I'm waiting to see how bad the sale of Savage Arms is going to affect their product lines quality.
     
  7. readygirl

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    The issues i have seen have been with the 870. Probably 15 this year have come back to the shop with quality issues. I know that, because i work there part time, and they pile up the QC returns until i am in, and i get to deal with the vendors. Issues have been mostly FTF/FTE. I had 2 that were rough to cycle, they were full of metal shavings. Had one with a loose sight rail, and one with a minor cosmetic issue. If you have an older 870 KEEP IT.... They dont makem like that any more,,,,,
     
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  8. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    A few years ago when Marlin was aquired and moved the quality did suffer. Some folks say they didn't notice. It really was a problem for about a year. I specifically saw model 336 rifles they had poorly fitted, poorly shaped, poorly finished stocks. Levers the were macined incorrectly. Some rifles would function fine but the shape of the trigger guard or lever made them uncomfortable, or almost impossible to use with gloves.

    Some if thes may seem like only cosmetic issues, but they were really an indicator if quality controll issues. A friend bought one that just plain refused to group. He thought all 336s were junk until he tried a couple made in 1986 and 1969. Then he understood the difference.

    Complaints got so severe, Remmington stopped the production line and they retrained their staff. Quality seems like it has been improved since then.

    One if the big mistakes they made when they moved the plant and equipment was not hiring any of the original Marlin workers who had been operating the equipment for the previous years.

    That's one chunk of the anti-Remmington bias out there as far as the Narlin tie-in goes.
     
  9. John_Deer

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    I recently bought a Marlin XT 22mr. The gun shot so high that I couldn't set the iron sights without sanding down the shim that adjusts the sights. I called Remlin. You get remington tech support when you have issues with a Marlin. They did send a prepaid shipping label and they sent a new gun that shoots very well.

    The first Remlin I got should have never left the factory. Any gun that shoots so high you can't adjust the iron sights has to have major issues that should have been caught before the gun left the factory.

    All this really saddens me. Marlin was my favorite brand of rifle and the freedom group just killed the quality and workmanship that made Marlin famous. Production had to stopped on several of the marlin lever actions because so many of the guns were being returned. I don't know if Remlin has started producing the lever actions again.
     
  10. gunnut07

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    In a short and sweet way. Quantity not quality.
     
  11. purehavoc

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    Some where I have read that all the current 870 combos are coming out of Mexico. I had heard that the non combo stuff was made here in the US . Like I said word of mouth so I dont know how much of that is true , but big companies like Remington are looking for cheaper labor so there going to other places . I have nothing against Unions but the union labor rates are killing some businesses,
     
  12. Apex-Predator

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    As a long time Remington fan let me say there is some truth to the rumors, Remington sold out in 2007 and their QC went downhill rather quickly. I still love an 870 or 700 but I won't touch another new one on a bet. Many other oldshool Remington fans have told me the same thing, the production quality is nowhere near as good.
    Here are some of my bad experiences with the new Remington, a 700 CDL 7mm Rem Mag that simply would not chamber a round at all, factory said that they fixed the problem but it still would not chamber new factory ammo. An R1 1911 that would not cycle with any ammo even after a factory rebuild. An ADL that was rusting so bad that even with regular cleaning and oiling was nearly unusable within six months. And a 308 SPS Tactical that had to be drop fed because it would not pick up the next round from the magazine, poor accuracy too.
    If you read the recent accuracy comparison in shooting times Remington came in dead last (by alot) avaraging 2.33" groups with three rifles (700 BDLs) that is a long way down from the "most accurate out of the box rifle" that they used to be. I would much rather have a 1980s model 700 or 870 then a brand new one. Marlin has suffered too, talk to any hardcore 336 fan and they will tell you that a new 336 is piss poor compared to the pre CCM ones, the X7 is still a good buy thanks to it's accuracy but the blueing/steel is below par.
     
  13. kiabe1

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    My problem with remington is less about quality and more about politics. In that they sold out to new york and the gun control community. And that may be part of why people seem to be disinfranchised with remington as a company
     
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  14. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    well this is my last post on this thread and am really fed up with all the internet rumours and myths about Remington and Marlin. funny thing, i was just last Saturday looking at new Remingtons, Marlins, Mossbergs and Rugers at my LGS, and i saw none of these problems again that people keep talking about.

    truth is, none of the gun makers are making guns like they did 30, or 40, or 50, years ago. none of them! not just Remington or Marlin. i have bought Remington and Marlins since the buyout by the Freedom Group and none of mine have these problems. i have friens that have bought them since then and they don't have these problems everyone keeps talking about. well i guess i'm just one of the lucky ones!

    well, until i see some credible facts or evidence that supports these type of statements made about Remington or Marlin, i won't put much stock into them. but what the hey, if it was on the internet, it's got to be true!:rolleyes:
     
  15. NC1760

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    Well they could always follow Ruger into the Carolinas... that is, if their Overlord owners allow them to. I for one would hate (and I don't use that word often) to see the brand go under. It would be a sad day for firearm culture, American manufacturing and a cornerstone of our history.
     
  16. jpattersonnh

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    This is only a few weeks old! About Ruger.
    http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130711/OPINION01/130719911
     
  17. jpattersonnh

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    We hear it all the time here. One company sucks. End of converstation.
    Here is the perfect example.

    "The reason Marlin has sold so many more than Ruger is because they are cheap guns. Honestly, the only gun worse than a model 60 is the 702 Plinkster. If you think a 10/22 wont shoot well out of the box you haven't shot a 10/22 or you cant shoot. I would put either one of my 10/22's up against a stock Marlin 60."


    This is from someone that most likely has never touched a Marlin, Ruger either. That is what he says about people that may dislike the Ruger, but this being the web, do a search on the best plinker, it will come up! If only his post shows, it must be gospel. The Net is full of crap. You really need to slog through the crap to get to the truth. Most people don't care, they want an instant answer.
     
  18. NC1760

    NC1760 New Member

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  19. mdauben

    mdauben New Member

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    So, obviously one FIRST HAND account of serious problems after another isn't credible so what do you want? A notarized letter from the CEO of Remington saying "Our QC has tanked. You shouldn't buy our guns anymore."? Good luck with that.

    If you're happy with your new Remingtons and Marlins, that's great. For me, I have to believe where there's smoke, there's fire and with all the other choices available today, I chose not to take a chance on a Remlin product.
     
  20. Triumphman

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    The Freedom Group bastardized Remington, Marlin, Bushmaster, DPMS, and other Gun Manufacturers for a Buck to their Stockholders.
    Also if you have an older Rem 700 Action Rifle, there was/is, many injurys and some deaths associated with the Trigger Action/Safety being unreliable and Remington NEVER did any recalls on it to make it safe(er). The Rifle would fire(while on safe) when chambering a Round. Yes, Remington did put in some cheap, sort of slide block on the new Models, but just think about how many Millions of the older Models are still out there, and the Owners might not know. There was even a MSNBC show about it.

    Can't say I'll never own a Remington, but for now I don't own any.
    Del