Ruger SR556 vs Daniel Defense DDM4V3

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Poink88, May 4, 2010.

  1. Ruger SR556

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  2. Daniel Defense DDM4v3

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  3. Neither, I want something better.

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  1. Poink88

    Poink88 New Member

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    For those who are on the know, which is better or you would rather buy...the Ruger SR556 or Daniel Defense DDM4V3?

    Thanks!
     
  2. 2hot2handle

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    I say Ruger because I want a piston AR just for Sh!ts and giggles. The Daniel Defense if I am not mistaken is a DI gun and if it is, I already have one of those. Please correct me if I am wrong.
     

  3. junho806

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    I only chose the ruger because its got that piston system in there
    i've heard good things and if i were to buy a piston gun i would buy the ruger since its dedicated to the piston system instead of buying a piston kit for my AR-15
     
  4. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    I had to vote Daniel Defense since they make a better AR than Ruger. Also a piston AR is the last thing I want.
     
  5. russ

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    Daniel Defense puts together a real nice rifle (and it is a DI gun). So the only reason to go with the Ruger is if you're interested in the piston setup.
     
  6. JonM

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    two totally different guns. i do have a ruger sr556. its a nice rifle but very heavy for a collapsable stock AR especially after adding optics. weight and the inability to use a 22lr conversion kinda suck. other than that the ruger is super easy to clean and fun to shoot.
     
  7. chrishammond

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    Ruger SR556 vs. Daniel Defense DDM4V3

    I've been agonizing for months over which to buy, but finanlly settled on the DDM4V3. I'm not confident about the piston system simply because there is NO standard as yet defined by the market. As such...if I'm in the middle of IRAQ and need parts for my piston driven AR/M4...I'm S.O.L.

    The Daniel Defense (which I bought 2 days ago) is completely compatible with everything...and is a snatch and grab system that has all the lower compression advantages seen in mid-length gas systems...and is also universally the same as the rest of the world as far as the AR/M4 platform.

    I spent some time over the phone getting to know the Daniel Defense guys and they were rock solid in knowledge and weren't boastful or anything...in fact they were quite the opposite...humble and friendly. Not your typical gun-snob (since I know relatively little about being an armorer).

    Having spent 8 years in the Marine Corps as a Sergeant, I only used the M16A2 because it was the dominant rifle at the time I was in through 2002. The M4 Carbine was just becoming "mainstream" in the military at that time because of MOUT (Military Operations in Urban Terrain) and the quick draw aspect of the Carbine for house to house and close quarters fighting on the streets.

    All in all, I've spent the last 6 months researching and getting to know both guns pretty well. I DO like the look and feel and heaviness of the Ruger...but for battle purposes it is a bit clunky and I do worry about the compatibility issues of piston driven systems vs. gas-tube systems.

    Good luck with your decision and I hope that my opinions offer some council to anyone who is considering piston systems vs. gas-tube. One other thing...I felt about Daniel Defense (and seemed to be echoed in every gun shop I've gone to) is that they are considered to be a top-shelf rifle..the fit and finish is immaculate and the 1:7 twist is actual mil-spec and provides additional accuracy that the 1:9 twist guns do not. Likewise, Daniel Defense ships with a STANDARD FULL AUTO bolt carrier group which will eliminate any fears of "bolt crack" that may come with the semi-auto bolts like the Ruger has. :eek:

    Anyway...that my 2 cents for what it's worth. Sgt Chris Hammond
     
  8. moshpit

    moshpit New Member

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    Daniel Defense. Love thier stuffs.
     
  9. dunerunner

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    Looking real hard at the Ruger SR556. The two-stage piston operation is a unique idea opposed to the gas operated AR's. But it is priced up around $1500!!:eek:

    I know it's an old thread but thought it was better to revive this than start a new one.

    Nice vid, though!

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyoB3l8jEIU]YouTube - SR556[/ame]
     
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  10. JonM

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    i would be a LOT happier with the SR556 if i could get rid of that heavy *** rail foregrip. that quad rail is really the only issue i have with mine cant clean under it and it ups the weight a lot.
     
  11. dunerunner

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    So, it must be machined aluminum alloy. I wondered about that and after you load it up with a tactical light, optics, a bayonet, an infra red camera, and what ever, I guess the tactical application of this weapon is about gone.

    I didn't look at the weight issue, what is it? What does it weigh? How does the quad rail system mount?
     
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  12. JonM

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    8 pounds empty no sling just the rifle itself. this is a half pound more than the weight of a full size M16-A2. the quad is machined aluminum very high quality from troy ind. pinned in place by roll pins. the one benefit of the weight there is practically 0 felt recoil and muzzle flip. the gas block has a small built in rail four mounting BUIS which it comes with or a sling swivel which it surprisingly does not.

    it is very compact and its currently my go to rifle for home defense. if your looking to do some shoot and scoot type stuff there are better rifles. ruger currently offers the sr556 in 6.8spc as well as 5.56.

    trigger has a lot of creep and is very heavy. kinda like a bottom basement mil-surp quality. the lower is not quite milspec its only off by a scootch as my m16 a-1 upper, 45acp upper, rra 458socom, dpms and colt sp1 have difficulties fitting or wont cycle the bolt. dont buy this rifle if you plan on adding other uppers.

    all that being said as a total package overall it is excellent as a package and goes boom every pull of the trigger.

    after spending some quality time with it i prolly would not buy it again if i had do over just due to the non removable rail for cleaning. i like to detail strip my guns from time to time for thorough cleaning.
     
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  13. dunerunner

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    Thanks...good information!!

    I does make me wonder why, with all the AR type platforms, Ruger chose to pin the rail system? They could just as easily built the rifle on a modular platform that would have allowed personalizations.
     
  14. JonM

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    prolly cuz roll pins are cheap. but i dunno it doesnt make much sense to me. its a nasty rainy day and im sitting here typing on the interweb and watching columbo. i think im gonna get the sr at and take a wack at that rail and see exactly what is under it. ill repost if i find anything interesting.
     
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  15. culdee

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    daniel defense

    I have not owned or shot eithre one but DD gets the nod of approval from everyone I know, in the know. I have shot Bushmaster, DPMS, Stag, and Colt HBAR. The Colt is the best built of those.
     
  16. JonM

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    as you can see its pinned in place by heavy duty roll pins.

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    the piston is a two stage the second stage is a captive part of the rail so swapping the rail is prolly not going to work so your stuck with the quad. the front gas block pins both have a spiral pattern cut in them to prevent walking and are VERY tightly pinned in. broke my small hammer wacking them out.

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    on the plus side the bolt carrier key is machined in such a way as to eliminate carrier tilt which is problematic in othe systems. the downside is the extension of the second stage operating rod prevents the use of cmmg style 22lr conversions.

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    so it can be taken apart but i wouldnt recomend it due to the nature of roll pins the more they move the looser they get. so unless it is rusting in place or excessively muddy i would leave it be. its a big drawback.
     
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  17. MrMilspecer

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    I would choose the DD. Yes i am biased i have a DDM4 V4. I like a 6.5 pound carbine . Not front heavy and has a much better ballance than the 8+ pound ARs ive held. DD build quality and customer service are second to none.
     
  18. BudW

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    Cost of each?
     
  19. kimberkid

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    I want something better.

    The only rugers I've ever cared for is the 10-22 and the MkII

    The only AR that has ever held its value in the long run and never fallen from favor is the Colt. Over the last 20 years I've seen many makers go in and out of favor and if you didn't own the current favorite, yours was crap. Just to name a few that are still in business; Armalite, Bushmaster and DPMS and not that long ago if you didn't own a RRA your gun was crap ... the AR has become just another designer product. All these "features" they tout are fine if you are going into battle but who among us is doing that ... and taking their privately owned weapon with them? The odds that you will ever notice a bit of difference between a DPMS or Bushmaster and a Daniel Defense is astronomical. This is not to say I don't own a few different AR's but I'm done buying into the designer of the year gun :)

    If I want a piston gun I'll go for the one that at least has legendary history of reliability behind it ... SiG-556

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    100yd targets shooting Silverbear it's well within acceptable standards.
     
  20. JonM

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    ruger has a very long history of reliability. i agree with almost everything else you said. but im not convinced about the sig556. i would stack my SR against the sig reliability wise. i would toss in my colt SP1 too. the sigs are way more pricey for what they are than the ruger.

    my SR556 is pretty much a range only gun. my SP1 is my go to gun for anything to do with rumbling through the woods. its lightweight accurate reliable and works well on two legged evil do-ers. ive had my SP1 since the 80's and i do not believe ive ever had a jam or failure over the years and thousands of rounds fired.

    older colts can be had cheaper than the SR or sig cost new.