Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Missileman, Dec 30, 2010.

  1. Missileman

    Missileman New Member

  2. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

    Interesting rifle. I'll be waiting to see the reviews.

  3. JonM

    JonM Moderator

    thats one ugly rifle. the box mag is interesting good to see ruger finally start to do something new. would like to have a detachable mag on my 700
  4. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

    That is one of the ugliest darn things I have seen since waking up sober next to my ex wife.

    I don't understand the detachable mag craze on bolt guns. I guess when all the tacticool guys can't shot worth a darn you need lost more ammo.
  5. JonM

    JonM Moderator

    got a one piece scope base its a little difficult filling the internal mag. a removable would just be easier.

    with the ruger i dont like how far forward the integral base is.
  6. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Well-Known Member

    That's the whole idea of a scout rifle. Jeff Cooper designed the scout rifle concept as an all around platform where the scope (extended eye relief and low powered) is mounted forward and you keep both eyes open. Not saying I'm crazy about it but that's the purpose of the scout concept. It also has open sights in case of optical failure.
  7. fragout

    fragout New Member

    Here is some things that I have found out about this rifle so far.

    1. Controlled round feed

    2. The magazines are single stack with 10,and 5rd available. The mags are made by Accuracy International. M14 mags were apparently looked at, but not utilized in the end as some of the M14 mags out there vary in specs. ( Nothing new here, as I only stick with quality M14 mags nowadays after trying out a few after-market junk).
    The mags for the Ruger run between $75 to $100 a piece. :eek:

    3. The trigger group and mag well are of 1 piece design, and are made from polymer.

    4. The rear sight assembly is the same as they use on their newer Mini14 rifles

    5. The flash suppressor (AC-556 type) is threaded, and could be removed easily from the bbl.

    6. A possibility of a left handed version coming out in the future as well as being chambered for other calibers.

    It resembles an Enfield jungle carbine to me at least. I would personally classify it as a Carbine, since it sports a 16 5/8 in bbl.

    I wish Ruger the best of luck with the Gunsite. It will be interesting to see if other companies follow suit with a better designed scout rifle of their own.

    Last edited: Dec 31, 2010
  8. DocWard

    DocWard New Member

    Judging by the specs, I am guessing Col. Cooper would have approved. I have never tried one out, but I certainly would be interested in giving one a try. If I could afford one, I would consider picking one up.
  9. JonM

    JonM Moderator

    16 inch of barrel on a 308 is prolly gonna have a lot of unburnt powder out the end making a big muzzle flash. 308 needs around 20" of running room to surpress that.

    the forward scope mount on a bolt rifle doesnt make sense to me. the nature of the beast means careful well aimed shots. a dot sight on a short barreled bolt gun that already has irons seems a bit silly.

    i read about the cooper scout rifle concept a bit back and it doesnt make any more sense now than it did then. cooper had a lot of good quotes but he wasnt a good gun designer.

    scout implies sending one or two guys out to scout ahead looking for enemy or recon a route of advance. they shouldnt be engaging the enemy and if cornered rapid sustained fire would be more advantage than a bolt gun with limited ammo capacity and fire rate can provide.

    the M4 carbine fills that need easily. lightweight can carry a LOT of ammo rapid well aimed shots with extremely fast follow up. 308 weighs a lot as do other big cartridges. when being pursued the scout doesnt need to kill with every shot. he/she just needs pursuit to end. 5.56 serves that role far better than lugging around big huge .308 nato.

    cooper's whole scout rifle concept to me just doesnt make sense. it just smacks of a solution in search of a problem.
  10. freefall

    freefall New Member

    I got sucked into the Scout Rifle concept as I have always respected Col Cooper's weaponcraft opinions. I don't think so much of this one. Back when I was guiding bear hunters here in AK, I had a .35 Whelen built on an Obendorf Mauser action. 19" barrel, put a Ruger #1 quarter rib ahead of the action to mount the Burris Scout Scope, has a Redfield apperature sight in case of scope failure. I thought it would be the cats *** of bear rifles, 5 rounds of .35 Whelen is some impressive horsepower and could reload 5 more quickly with a stripper clip. Unfortunately, the scope sits JUST far enough back that you can not use a stripper clip. But the main problem with the whole concept is that the scope sits so far forward that any light you gather with it disapates before it reaches your eye, negating most of the advantage of having a scope at all. I'd rather have tritium XS sights.
    So. I vote thumbs down on the whole Scout Rifle concept. All this being said, I'll sell you a good one in .35 Whelen for less than it takes to build one. ;)
  11. Txhillbilly

    Txhillbilly Well-Known Member

    Typical Ruger! How many years have mfg's been making Scout style rifles,and now years down the road-Here's Ruger's!
    Ruger needs to come up with some new innovation,and quit copying everyone's ideas.
    They also need to fire whatever engineer that is designing all of their crap out of PLASTIC. Who wants to pay $995 for a gun with a plastic trigger group.
  12. DocWard

    DocWard New Member

    I'm thinking he meant "scout" more from a hunting perspective. His concept was a rifle that would be a true multi-purpose rifle, f "that will do a great many things equally well..." "The general-purpose rifle will do equally well for all but specialized hunting, as well as for fighting..." I don't think he was contemplating its use in the sense you are referring to.

    And yes, the muzzle blast and recoil from a .308 through a barrel that length and a rifle that light has been mentioned in tests of the concept.

    Like I said, I would consider one, but there are plenty of guns that are in line ahead of it.
  13. BombDoc

    BombDoc New Member

    I'm a big fan of Cooper's 660 in 350REM. I bought a Ruger M77 Scout 308 a few years ago. This is on top here with my 338WM.

    It's very light and easy to carry all day. I would love to build a 660 to Cooper's specs but I never find them in good shape at a decent price. This new GS model may be in the want list now.
  14. JonM

    JonM Moderator

    prolly my definition of a scout is different heh. when you try to please all you end up with a useless tool. the cooper scout rifle is a perfect example of overplanning resulting in a less useful piece of gear. his bren 10 was pretty much the same thing. the man shoulda stuck to writing magazine articles and making common sense quotes.

    cooper wasnt the originator of the scout rifle concept he kinda took that from various sources which tried the same thing but it never has really worked. the british smle jungle carbine further back there is the sharps cavalry carbine and during the civil war there were short barreled rifle experiments to fulfill a scout role. those arent the only examples. the extra short barrel is usually the fail point. cooper's scout concept isnt new he just layed the concept out in words in a public forum first. militaries around the world from japan to russia to the USA experimented with the scout rifle concept to varying degrees of success and failure.

    the problem with it is it tries to do too much and fails as an overall whole.

    if you like the idea nothing wrong with it. im just not one to drink the cooper koolaid
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