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Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by krisko09, Sep 23, 2012.
let's hear it fellas, which do u prefer? and why? pros and cons for each!
The ruger is twice the rifle the savage is. Just sayin.
why do u think that?
Tack driver out of the box. Will run forever.
Have never shot the Savage but we have put thousands of rounds through our Ruger and we love it.
10/22 Semi-auto vs. MkII bolt action? (Disclosure, I've got a MkII TR)
What I've read is: You can get and do all kinds of things to a 10/22. You can probably find 10/22 stuff in just about any gun shop. It's really customizable without requiring a gunsmith. Not so much with the Savage.
The 10/22's not as accurate out of the box as a MkII, but it wasn't meant to be a tack driver. I don't think it's too fussy about ammunition and a .22lr is a small round to power a semi. That says alot. That being said, there's a guy on You Tube hitting targets at 400y with a mostly stock 10/22! I think it's an 18" target through. You can make 10/22 very accurate by spending more money on stuff. Before you do you should price it out and compare the $ to a CZ, which I've read is very good too. Better than the Savage, but cost more than a Savage too.
There aren't as many after market items available for the MkIIs. They do come in a variety of flavors for different kinds of shooting, but not anywhere near as many as the 10/22. There is no 'Take Down' MkII for instance. The MkII trigger is very nice.
Ammunition will probably make a bigger difference than any inherent difference in accuracy.
The biggest thing through is;
Do you want a semi-auto or a bolt action? With a semi you can keep your cheek on the stock, eyes on the target, hand on the rifle, and your finger on the trigger for you next shots. With a bolt you have to change and reacquire your position to some extent for each shot.
I've got both a Ruger 10/22 AND a Savage Mark II SS with fiber optic sights. Two different rifles for two different purposes.
Ruger 10/22: plinking, customizable for tactical fun, high capacity
Savage Mark II: hunting, forces the shooter to slow down and work on fundamentals for each shot
Buy both. Just pick which one comes first. I bought the Savage first but YMMV.
Do you drive an automatic or a stick? Which do you prefer?
I have soft spot for bolt guns..
Question resolved then...but when looking at Bolt-action, take a look at the new XT22 from Marlin as well...
Micro-groove barrels paired with adjustable target triggers tend to do NICE things
Just ask Defcon!!
And you can get it in a tube feed, which means it takes .22 shorts, longs, and long rifles. Something a magazine feed won't.
i have owned both, i own a savage MKII now, i owned the ruger a few years ago. if they were the same price i would get the ruger, but money is tight in my household thats why i bought the savage and used the difference in price on ammo. i have put well in the thousands of rds in the last three yrs thru the savage, no problems at all i do wish they made larger mags than 10rds tho.
Stock 10/22 + plinker not as good as a marlin 60
10/22 target, OK plinker and fun fun target shooting.
10/22 custom can be as good as a ruger target to very good match gun for timed match.
Bolt rifles in general will shoot tigher groups but slower to shoot.
Figure out what you want a .22 for. If shooting tiny groups the savage and marlin bolts are good, CZ makes a better shooters and look better doing it. Anshultz, best production rifles and something to be proud to shoot and pass along to family members one day.
First there are two different MkII types of rifles and they are different. And there are about 7 different 10/22's and they are different. There's a world of difference between a 10/22 Carbine and a MkII BTV. That MkII has a varmint barrel and weighs about half again as much as the Ruger. Those rifles are about as different as day and night.
What you want from a .22 has everything to do with which rifle would be "best" for you. Do you want a plinker or do you want a tight group shooting target rifle or do you want a hunting rifle or what?
First you won't find a 10/22 that shoots as accurate as a MkII unless something is wrong with the Savage. They are just accurate. Very accurate. Even the sporter models are very accurate. And the varmint barrel models are far more accurate than any stock 10/22 I ever shot.
There's a reason they don't sell a lot of after market parts for the Savage. People don't buy them to have a mall ninja rifle. They buy them because they shoot very accurate. You actually can buy enough parts to make your Ruger shoot as well as a Savage but it won't be cheap. A new barrel and a new trigger should get you close but it will have to be a good barrel and a good trigger. But you can also improve your Savage with a better trigger. The AccuTrigger is nice but there are better triggers around.
What makes any rifle really accurate is the barrel though. And the Savage comes with a good barrel compared to the Ruger. Rugers aren't bad by any means but they're just designed for different things. I've seen some Rugers shoot pretty well but I've seen Savages shoot incredibly well. I have one in fact. I've shot lots of 5 shot, 1/8th inch groups at 50 yards. I've shot groups as small as .111". I've put 4 shots out of 5 in a hole you couldn't tell from a single bullet hole and I've done that more than once. I always seem to blow one shot when I start shooting a group that tight. Just can't take the pressure I guess.
I have a Savage MkIIBTV. I have a CZ 453 American. I have a Marlin XT-22TR (tube mag). The Marlin just can't compete with the Savage. Sorry but it just won't. The CZ shoots "almost" as well as the Savage but not quite. Yes that's right. The Savage is more accurate than the CZ. That won't always be the case though. Rifles are individuals.
I've shot so many 10/22's I couldn't begin to count them all. I've never shot one that shoots as well as my stock Savage and that includes modified Rugers. But I've seen groups people shot with really well built Rugers that would compete with the Savage. I've shot contests against them in fact. I've never lost one. I don't have anything against Ruger either. I own a Ruger handgun. And I love Marlins. I have since I learned to shoot on a 60 back in about 1965. My friend has so many Rugers it isn't funny. I've shot them all. He's modified them too. They won't shoot with my Savage. They won't even shoot with my Marlin 60 actually.
BTW I wouldn't rate an Anschutz the best rifle made. I like Sakos better but probably more people like Anschutz rifles. It depends on which one you get I guess. I've never even seen one of their super expensive rifles. They are fine rifles for sure and they are certainly better than a Savage or a Ruger. But they aren't that much better. A little bit better costs a whole lot more after a certain point. But better is better. I'd love to own a good Anschutz 54 based rifle.
The bottom line is if you have to choose one or the other (10/22 or MkII) decide what you want to do with your rifle and buy accordingly. Don't forget to check how the rifles feel to you. But I have to tell you if ever the golden rule of firearms applied this is the place. That rule is "buy both" of course. Eventually you'll want one of each or a whole lot of people do anyway.
personally 10/22 are cool for plinking and to do airsoft conversions.
however id get the savage MKII. i also have the marlin XT-22 mag fed but i dont like the 10 round limit being in California
i just found out the marlin XT-22 comes in a tube fed
im planning to buy one next month because of the 25 rounds it can hold using short rounds.
here's how many rounds the XT-22 can hold
17 LR/25 Short/19 Long
i prefer bolt action because i can take my time with my shots. especially having 25 rounds in a tube would be awesome for someone living with strict gun laws
would be awesome if there's a 100 round tube for the .22. maybe i can figure out how to fabricate a "tactical" 100 round tube? hahaha
Somehow we gotta get you OUT of the People's Republik of Kalifornikstan!!
I can only imagine the fun you'd have with a Calico Carbine or Pistol!!! (50 or 100-rds per mag standard capacity, helical mags)