Ron Paul Off the Rails Yet Again

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  1. billt

    billt New Member

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W8MDjU2zgk]Ron Paul Wants To Be Friends With Iran To Talk Them Out Of Developing Nukes - YouTube[/ame]

    Now he thinks we should be "nice" to Iran, and "be friends with them", in order to stop them from developing nukes. I've tried so hard to like this guy, but he makes it impossible with all of the whacked out statements he makes like this.

    He talks as if these people can actually be trusted with our best interest. Trying to "make friends" with radical Muslim governments who hate us, is like having a pet Cobra. No matter how well you treat it, it will kill you at the first opportunity you give it. This guy is so far out there where the buses don't run, he actually believes if "we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone". And he has said as much.

    This is exactly why this guy can't get out of polling in the single digits, and has zero chance of getting the Republican nomination, let alone getting elected. Iran is doing everything possible to get Israel to strike it. And they will. Then, the libtards and "progressive thinkers" in this country, as well as Europe will make them out to be "war mongers". It is unbelievable how people like Paul, along with many of his supporters, can be sucked into this stupid, senseless kind of thinking.

    Anyone who supports Iran's development of nukes, along with the Palestinians, is supporting the killing of Jews period. These people don't want "peace" with Israel, or anyone else for that matter. They want them exterminated, and have said so many times. Ron Paul is acting like a naive fool, and his poll numbers show it. Yeah, he's got his hard core bunch that will march lock step right off the cliff with him like the Lemmings they are. About the only good thing you can say about most Ron Paul voters is if he doesn't run, (which he won't), they are already claiming they won't vote at all. As far as I'm concerned that's a good thing because they shouldn't be in the first place.
     
  2. alsaqr

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    i like Ron Paul. Unfortunately, Paul has intermittent spastic disorder where he says off the wall stuff that makes no sense.
     

  3. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    The more Ron Paul rants the more I am listening.
    I hated when each time any of these Republican
    candidates for the presidency opened their mouths.
    I hated it even more each time Obama opened his.
    And I hate it that I have come to this point in my
    life when even Ron Paul has got me listening!
    :cool:
     
  4. ofitg

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    I've got mixed feelings about Ron Paul. I like his devotion to the Constitution, and I haven't heard any other politician speak out against the Federal Reserve.... hell, the GOP front-runner Herman Cain used to be a "big cheese" in the Federal Reserve.

    My biggest gripe against Ron Paul is that he doesn't have any clear plan for expelling the 15 (?) million illegals in the U.S.... of course, none of the others have a clear plan either.

    Personally, I think the Israelis could take care of Iran, if we would just get out of their way.
     
  5. gutz47

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    I'd like to hear about who you do like for the republican nomination. Tell us about romney. Or how about cain and his 999 bull? Whatcha gotta say about rick perry? Seriously, enlighten me.
     
  6. fmj

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    Man, you simply cannot think for yourself, can you!

    Have you even LISTENED to what Dr. Paul has to say?!!?

    We have been pissing around in the ME business since the 50's (THATS OVER 60 YEARS) how has that worked out!?!? Isreal has over 300 nukes...i think they can take care of themselves. Iran has NOTHING!!! Its HIGH time the US quit dicking around all over the world. We cannot afford it, nor has any of it WORKED!

    Its time to think about and care for #1...thats AMERICA and the rest of the world be damned!

    Wake up and quit spewing the same old worn out Overgrown Fed. Govt line. IT HAS FAILED!
     
  7. Cory2

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    So... How do you know leaving them alone won't work? Iran, and the middle east in general, didn't give two ****s and a giggle about the U.S. until we started messing with THEM. We started it. Do some more learning about history and less worshiping failed policies and you will see how he has come to the conclusion that he has.


    Or, maybe it is because you think that somehow we can put a stop to the fighting that has been going on there FOREVER. Somehow, we will magically bomb them enough that they will stop fighting. That is possible I guess. I wonder who they will redirect all of that rage they harbor towards eachother to? I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.

    The middle east does not hate us "because of our freedoms" as the war mongers in the U.S. try to make us believe, they hate us because we have been constantly play dirty politics and bombing them, killing their civilians blowing up their buildings, assassinating their leaders, replacing them with mass murderers, then killing them, occupying their countrys, performing illegal acts on their soil, etc., for over 60 years... 60 YEARS! To put that in perspective, most people in those countries have lived their entire lives with the U.S. messing with them, they have never lived a moment where the U.S. wasn't trying to kill them or overthrow their government. Imagine living your entire life with some country (say, russia, thats a good example) trying to kill us and overthrow our government. I seem to recall people REAAAALLLY hated the Soviet Union for about 60 years. Did we have good reason? The same thing is going on with the middle east and the U.S.
     
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  8. PanBaccha

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    Wow! Truer words has not been spoken since 2000. Something
    for all of us to think about, and not just go along, as has been
    our national pasttime.
     
  9. fmj

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    OH! I will also say this. This isnt a matter of "NOW he wants to be friends" I've been doing research on this man (as i do with ANY i will vote for) and you can go back into the 80's and this mans message has been the SAME.

    Unlike the rest of these right wingnuts whos ideas and policies change with the wind, the calender or public opinion!

    Dr. Paul has said what he believes in and hasnt wavered one iota in over 30 years of SERVICE!!
     
  10. ttolhurst

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    May you all never find out just how badly Iran doesn't want to simply be left alone.
     
  11. fmj

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    Like Dr. Paul says....Russia has nukes and we werent on very friendly terms. Same with China. Iran makes one or two nukes and uses them, it will go VERY badly for them. Considering every country around them has nuke capability themselves....Pakistan, India, Isreal, Russia, China, Us.

    like Dr. Paul says....they have to import GASOLINE!!

    I like his ideas, they make sense and where some DO seem a little nutjobesque...think long and hard what/where 60 YEARS of the same policies have gotten us.

    Can it really be THAT bad to try a different direction??

    60 years of FAILED M.E. policy! Can you reasonably argue that our policies/actions over the last 60 years have WORKED!?!?

    WE caused the issues in Iran! WE caused the issues in Iraq! WE caused the issues in Afgahnistan! Our meddeling and war mongering over the past 60 years have caused the issues!!

    The war on drugs (war on the american people/freedom) is failed policy!

    Its become blatantly obvious "business as usual" in DC IS NOT WORKING!!

    Can Dr. Pauls ideas (nothing really new, but a return to the policies that made this country THE greatest on earth) really be ANY worse than what we have now or have had in the recent past!?!?
     
  12. gutz47

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    BAM!! There it is. I wish you lived in my neighborhood.
     
  13. ofitg

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    The extent of Western/European meddling in that part of the world may be a lot greater than most Americans ever imagined. Here's an interesting book written 30 years ago (free download) -

    http://www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/hostage.pdf

    This old book even gives some insight on why we have been helping the Muslim Brotherhood grab control in one country after another...
     
  14. therewolf

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    Actually, people have been "pissing around " in the ME for over 600 years,

    with the Crusades, colonization, and oil exploitation.

    If other countries had been exploiting the American

    continent for centuries, I imagine there would be a hotbed of

    extremist guerrilla activity here, too. Maybe we should try

    something new with the ME,

    like LEAVE THEM ALONE...
     
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  15. fmj

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    Point taken (knew that) and dually noted but for ease of absorbtion, i figured i would break it down to the "recent" past and our recent (60 or so years) failings.

    Lets try it from another angle...a good quotations....

    "You catch more flys with honey than vinegar"-unknown

    "The definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing, the exact same way expecting a different result"-Albert Einstein (a man most thought was completely nutzo as well)
     
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  16. therewolf

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    IMO, the reason we have such a problem with the ME is the long term

    aspect of foreign meddling.

    It's a horrid history which casts Western Civilization,

    in general, in a shameful role.

    Would we be any less violent, unstable, and distrustful of

    foreigners, had we, historically, over centuries, been treated as they were?



    If you study their culture, you will be surprised to find they are some

    of the most hospitable and advanced societies on earth. Yet we

    are only shown by the media, in it's quest to sell soap and hard-on pills,

    the worst side of a hounded and exploited people.
     
  17. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    quoted for truth.

    at one point in the worlds history the M.E. were THE most advanced in the entire world in the ways of culture and science. The raids from the east and subsequent book burning and wholesale slaughter set them and the world back countless centuries.
     
  18. BigByrd47119

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    Someone that finally grasps Dr. Paul's thoughts. Its funny how his ideas are considered to be so "radical" when it turns out they are the most common sense. We have all been programed to such a level that war is good that any view in opposition is now considered "nuts"? REALLY?

    IMHO Dr. Paul needs to really harp on his message regarding Iran. While listening to C-Span, I notice a LOT of callers that make the same points he does without mentioning his name, meaning that he has a ton of potential supporters in that regard!

    To the OP:

    If the ideals OUR Founding Fathers set forth in the Constitution and their investments into the idea of liberty are so far flung as to discredit Dr. Paul because he supports these things to such a degree, then I have lost all faith in this country and her people. May god rest her soul!!!
     
  19. bkt

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    What he said.

    People get wrapped around the axle whenever they think Ron Paul is trying to come to the aid of the bad guys. What they need to do is look objectively at what the U.S. has historically done. Is it good? Nope. Maybe we should change our position. Will it get any worse if we do? Nope.

    How about we take Israel off its leash and let it hash out its own problems? How about we get the hell out of the Middle East -- all you who are calling for independence on foreign oil!! -- and let things shake out? Or is it better to keep going the way we have?

    The most important angle to look at this issue, and the way Ron Paul is looking at it, is simply this: the federal government does not have the lawful authority to police other nation's governments. That's how he approaches every issue.
     
  20. BigByrd47119

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    And on a moral level, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."