Ron Paul Issues Statement on ATF Gun Scandal

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  1. MattCollins

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    SOURCE: Ron Paul Issues Statement on ATF Gun Scandal | Business Wire

    LAKE JACKSON, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Today, 2012 GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul commented on the recent revelations about the federal government’s botched program to track gun sales. See statement below.

    “The ATF has a long history of abusing our Second Amendment rights, so I was glad to see Congressman Issa demanding answers on the Project “Gunwalker” scandal.

    “My hope is that the recent hearing will further expose the ATF's and Attorney General Eric Holder's assaults on law-abiding gun owners, and more people will start questioning the need for unconstitutional agencies like the ATF that exist solely to infringe on American citizens' God-given right to keep and bear arms.”
     
  2. Sonnypie

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    I have one (1) problem with that quote:
    God given right?
    Come on.

    Let's just do our best to right the ship in 2012.
     

  3. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    The right of self defense is a God given right. It is not granted by government. What's your problem with that statement?
     
  4. orangello

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    I liked the "unconstitutional agencies" part best of all.

    Not everyone believes in God or that the right came from God. I won't hold origin against anybody, just so long as they believe in the right to K&B. Personally, i think the right to self-defense comes with breath, could be wrong, don't know for certain.
     
  5. wmille01

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    I'm just saying god given right, true not everyone believes in god. But to those who don't its just a word so suck it up. To those that do believe, god is a very broad term, my grandparents are Jehovah witnesses, the believe that Jehovah is the true name of god.

    I personally think that it's our birth right to bear arms, if your born in the US your born with rights, right?
     
  6. opaww

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    What wmille01 said
     
  7. Sonnypie

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    I do not believe that God gave us the right to keep and bear arms.
    I can see that right given in The Bill of Rights, written by the founding Fathers.
    But dog-gone if I have ever seen that anywhere in scripture. Nor in the Ten Commandments.
    Could you show me where God said to go forth and arm thy selves with weapons that fire bullets? Or basically any weapons?

    It is statements like... "God-given right to keep and bear arms.” That the anti-Christ use to enforce that 2nd Amendment supporters are some kind of Religious Right Wing fanatics. (Hence they call us gun nuts, for example)

    And while I believe all things come from God, I.E. Specifically: He allows man to advance in technology, I do not know where it is written he told us to "Keep and Bear Arms."

    There are a lot of God given rights, we are born with them. They are elementary.

    Can you show me something that will make me believe God wants me to Bear Arms? I believe he'd rather I turn the other cheek.
    I know I want to always bear arms. But that I was taught as I matured as a child.
    Because we live in a dangerous world.
    I'm one to smite the leftist ideas and ideals. Not hand them gasoline for their pire of books and guns they want to burn.
    They go against those elementary beliefs in my life. But that is me, not God, talking.
     
  8. orangello

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  9. Cory2

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    "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." -Jesus Christ

    Good enough?
     
  10. CA357

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    I am most definitely not a Bible quoter, but I know for a fact that somewhere in there Jesus said: if you have a cloak, sell it and buy a sword.

    Man has been defending himself since he first made a fist or picked up a stick. This government has no right to proscribe self defense, which these days means a gun. Back in time, it may have been a sword or lance or mace or whatever.

    Self preservation is a natural instinct. I believe in a Creator and thus I believe the instinct for survival/self defense is God given.

    I don't give a rat's azz what someone's religious or anti-religious beliefs are. I will not be quiet because someone else thinks God is politically incorrect.
     
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  11. robocop10mm

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    To think the Constitution and/or the Bill of Rights grants us rights is VERY naive. These documents quite clearly are written to guarantee such inalienable rights.

    According to Webster Inalienable means incapable of being alienated, surrendered, or transferred.

    As we allow the 2nd Amendment to be whittled away at we are causing the unthinkable to happen. Our rights are being surrendered, a little at a time.
     
  12. JonM

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    my only problem with it is ron paul is a raving lunatic nutball. it doesnt do our side any good to have a raving lunatic nutball speaking for us...
     
  13. wmille01

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    I found proof...
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taih2zUOmIM]YouTube - ‪Family Guy Moses and Jesus Fight The Romans‬‏[/ame]
     
  14. orangello

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    ^^^ I would like to point out that it appears the higher power selected a 30 caliber weapon, not a hopped-up .22. :p
    Good vid!
     
  15. bkt

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    To those who get wound around the axle with the term "God-given" would the word "natural" suffice instead?

    Rights are never granted, not by the Founders or any person. They just exist. If you believe you have a right to live, then you automatically believe in the right to own property (your body is your property). And, by extension, you understand you have the right to protect yourself from harm, whether that means seeking shelter in a storm, fending off a bear, or pink-misting some misguided little turd in a parking garage.

    The term "God-given rights" is used to underscore the fact that rights are not bestowed by other men and thus cannot be taken away except by force.
     
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    Really? Do tell. What has he said or done that deviates from the Constitution or what a duly elected member of Congress is supposed to do? What Representative or Senator has adhered to the Constitution more closely than Ron Paul?
     
  17. Cory2

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    Yep, I voted for Ron Paul last election and did volunteer work at one of the grassroots Ron Paul centers and I will do the same again this time around.

    However, I see how this is going and what is going to happen. Even on this very board we don't agree on who we want in office, which means our powerful vote when combined will be meaningless when divided compared to all of the super libtards who will ALL vote exactly the same way... United we stand, divided we fall. We all (gun owners) need to quit nitpicking and find ONE person we can all support. No one is perfect so we will never all agree on every single thing any one candidate does/says, but for the good of the country and our God-given/innalienable/natural rights we need to learn to compromise a little and find someone we can all agree upon.
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    In my opinion.
     
  18. Sonnypie

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    I think you are right, Cory2.
    Ron Paul might be the best choice in 2012.
    Do you know what his percentage was in 2008 offhand?
    Personally, I don't think parties other than the big 2 have the chance of a snowball in hell.
    But I'm a red dot in a blue State. My vote don't count for nothing. So maybe I could at least raise his percentage by... what? 0.0000000001%? :rolleyes:
     
  19. Cory2

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    I want to say it was around 13% but I could be completely mistaken.
     
  20. lonewolf101

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    Ron Paul is right we dont the ATF!! their just THUGS WITH A BADGE!